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በይሉል

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሰላም

በዚህ ጉዳይ ላይ ጥቂት ዉይይቶች መካሄዳቸዉን አስታውሳለሁ .ብዙም ተብሎዋል . ይህን ለየት የሚያደርገው ጉዳዩን ቀረብ ብሎ ሚዛናዊ በሆነ መንገድ ለማጣጣም የሚመች በመሆኑ ነው . እና አቀራረብህ ጥሩ መሆኑን መግለጽ ያስፈልጋል .


ተድላ ሀይሉ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
.........እንደ እኔ አስተያዬት 'አዲሱ የኢሕአፓ የፖለቲካ መርሃ ግብር ' በደርግ ሕገ -መንግሥት እና በወያኔ የደደቢት ሕገ -መንግሥት መካከል የሚገኝ መሆኑን ነው ::


1.ደርግ ..........ኢህዲሪ
2.ወያኔ ..........ኢፌዲሪ
3.ኢህአፓ ........ Question Question Question

እንግዲህ ኢህአፓ በሁለቱ ጽንፎች መካከል አጣብቂኝ ዉስጥ ስለገባ ይመስለኛል ብዙም ስለአላማቸው ለማወቅ ያልቻልነው .

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.....በእርግጥ ዋናው ጉዳይ ይህ በወረቀት ላይ ብቻ የሠፈረው ሣይሆን የድርጅቱ የኋላ ታሪክ ይህንን ዓይነት ተግባር እንዲያከናውን ይፈቅድለታል ወይ ? በሚለው ነጥብህ እንስማማለን :: ........ተድላ


እዚህ ኖርዝ አሜሪካ ስራ ስናመለክት በሬዙሜያችን በስተመጨርሻ Refference--available upon request!!!
የሚል ነገር እንጨምራለን .

እና ድርጅቱ ስላለፈው ተግባሩ ሪፈረንስ ይፈልጋል ማለት ነው ???? ታድያ ህዝቡ ነው ወሳኙ የምንለው መርህ ለምን አስፈለገ ???

እንደኔ ኢህአፓም ሆነ ጸረ -ኢህአፓወች ህዝብ በነጻ ድምጽ አሰጣጥ ብይን ይስጣቸው የሚለዉን አጥብቄ አምንበታለሁ .

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ተድላ ሀይሉ

ዋና አለቃ


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ተድላ ሀይሉ

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሰላም ለሁሉም :-

የአሜሪካን ድምጽ ሬድዮ ጋዜጠኛ ወይዘሮ ትዝታ በላቸው ባለፈው ቅዳሜ ሰኔ 6 ቀን 2001 .. ተሣክቶላት የሁለቱን ቀሪ የኢሕአፓ አንጃዎች መሪዎችን ቃለ -መጠይቅ አድርጋላቸዋለች :: ለእኔ ይህ ትልቅ ለውጥ ነው : በኢሕአፓ አመራር ሥም ከሚንቀሣቀሱ ግለሰቦች እንዲህ ያለ ሁኔታ የታየበት አጋጣሚ ውሱን ሥለሆነ :: በተረፈ ሁለቱም ግለሰቦች አንዱ አንደኛውን በመወንጀል የየራሣቸውን ሥህተት ለመሸፋፈን ሞክረዋል :: ለምሣሌ :-

አቶ በላይነህ ንጋቱ (መርሻ ዮሴፍ ) አቶ እያሱ ዓለማየሁን "አመራሩን ሣያሳውቅ ከኤርትራ ገዢዎች ጋር ሚሥጢራዊ ግንኙነት አድርጓል : በድርጅቱ የውስጥ ዲሞክራሲ እንዳይኖር አፍኗል ::" የሚል ውንጀላ ሲያቀርብ አቶ እያሱ ዓለማየሁ ደግሞ እነ አቶ በላይነህ ንጋቱን "የወያኔን ሕገ -መንግሥት ተቀብለን በሰላማዊ መንገድ ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ገብተን እንታገል ::" ብለዋል በሚል አጸፋውን መልሰዋል ::

ዕውነቱ የት ነው ያለው ?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሰላም ለሁላችን

እኔም ጥያቄዎች አሉኝ .

አቶ መርሻ "" እኛ ነን ብዙሀን .....ሌሎች ውሁዳን ናቸው "" !!
አቶ እያሱ "" እኛ ነን ብዙሀን ...ሌሎቹ ውሁዳንናቸው "" !!

እውነቱ የትኛው ነው ???? ሌሎች ጥያቄዎችም አሉኝ .
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: ዝም ይሻላል ስለ ኢህፓ Reply with quote

እንዲያው ዝም የሻላል በታውሩት አይልቅም .
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

በይሉል እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ሰላም



1.ደርግ ..........ኢህዲሪ
2.ወያኔ ..........ኢፌዲሪ
3.ኢህአፓ ........ Question Question Question





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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

በእውነቱ ከሆነ ይህ አምድ ጥሩ ግንዛቤ ማስጨበጫ አምድ ነው :: እያዝናና ፈገግ እያሰኘ ታሪክን ይተነትናል - ታሪክ ከተባለ :: ሁለት የትዋጥላቸው የኮሜዲን ያክል በሳቅ ፍርስ የሚያደርጉ ነገሮችን አግኝቼበታልሁ :: ይኸውም :-
በይሉል
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”ወደዋናው ነጥብ ስመለስ የዚህ ድርጅት አባላት ሻእብያም ..ኦነግም ...ደርግም ዉስጥ ይገኛሉ .በዚህ ስሌት
ኢህ አፓ ማለት THE FATHER OF ETHIOPIAN POLITICS OR THE GOD FATHER OF ETHIOPIAN POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS መሆኑ ነው

እና
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1. ኢሕአፓ ከፍተኛ የፖለቲካ እንቅስቃሴ ባደረገባቸው 1967 - 1970 . . አጋማሽ ድረስ የተመራው በትግራይ ተወላጆች : አብዛኞቹ የማዕከላዊ ኮሚቴ አባላት የኤርትራ እና ትግራይ ተወላጆች ነበሩ :: በድርጅቱ ላይ ለደረሰው ውድቀት አመራሩ ዋናውን ኃላፊነት መውሰድ ይኖርበታል :: ስለዚህ ግራም ነፈሰ ቀኝ ለኢሕአፓ ውድቀት የሁለቱ ክፍለ ሀገር ተወላጅ ልሂቃን ተጠያቂ ናቸው :: ምናልባትም ኢሕአፓ 'የሻቢያ የትሮይ ፈረስ ነበረ " የሚባለው ኃሜታ እውነትነት አያጣም ::

ታሪክን በአማርኝችሁ እንዳበጃችሁት ሲበጅ ደረቅ ኮሜዲ ይሆናል :: እነ ክበበው ገዳስ ምን ሰርተው ይኑሩ ??
አንድ እውነታ ግን አለ ታሪክም ኮሜዲም ያልሆነ :: ይኸውም : ኢህአፓ የብርቱካን ሚዴቅሳ (የዕድሜ ) ታላቅ መሆኑ Exclamation Exclamation
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

የተበላ ዕቁብ ማለት እኮ ነው

ኢሕሀፓዎች አሉ ድርጅቱ ግን ያኔ አሲምባ ላይ ቀብረንዋል
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሰላም ለሁሉም :-

ሰሞኑን ስለኢሕአፓ ጉዳይ ሁለት የተለያዩ ርዕሶች ለንባብ በቅተዋል :: "የኢሕአፓ ወጣት ሊግ - ኢሕአፓ ወክንድ " ቺጋጎ ውስጥ መመሥረት (ምንጭ :- የኢሕአፓ ወጣት ክንፍ ድርጅት ተቋቋመ ::) እና ስለ ኢሕአፓ ውስጠ -ምሥጢር በአቶ አንተነህ ሽፈራው የተጻፈ ጽሑፍ (ምንጭ :- ወያኔ በሰላም ሥልጣን ከሚለቅ አሁንም ጦርነትን ይመርጣል !)::

ኢሕአፓ አዲሱን 'ኢሕአወሊ ' የመሠረተው ምን ለማድረግ አስቦ ነው ? 1969 - 70 ያካሄደውን የከተማ ሽብር ለመድገም ነው ? ወይስ አብዛኞቹ የኢሕአፓ አባሎች 50 ዓመት የልደት በዓላቸውን ካከበሩ የቆዩ ሥለሆኑ ወራሽ የቤተሰብ አባል ፈልገው ነው ?

በአቶ አንተነህ ሽፈራው የቀረበው ጽሑፍ ከዚህ በፊት በይፋ በኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ የማይታወቁ የኢትዮጵያ የፖለቲካ ሰዎችን ብዙ ሚሥጢሮች ይዟል :: እስኪ አንብቡትና አስተያዬቶች እንለዋወጥ ::

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሰላም ለሁሉም :-

በዚህ የሐምሌ ወር 2001 .. ከሁለት ፖለቲከኞች ስለዘመኑ የኢትዮጵያ የፖለቲካ እንቅስቃሴ ጽሑፎች ወጥተዋል :- በሻለቃ ዳዊት ወልደጊዮርጊስ እና በዶክተር በሪሁን (አረጋዊ ) በርሄ :: ሁለቱም ፖለቲከኞች የኢትዮጵያ 'የተማረው ክፍል ' 196-70 ይከተለው ሥለነበረው የፖለቲካ አቅጣጫ የየራሣቸውን ግንዛቤ አካፍለውናል :: ሁለቱም ይበልጥ ያተኮሩት በሻቢያና ወያኔ ታሪክ ላይ ቢሆንም በተወሰነ ደረጃም ስለ ኢሕአፓ ያነሷቸው ነጥቦች አሉ ::

ሻለቃ ዳዊት ወልደጊዮርጊስ (ምንጭ :- The Way forward for Ethiopia and Eritrea - By Dawit Wolde Giorgis )

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It must also be understood that the cause of Eritrean independence was supported by the student movement for years. I remember I was in New Yorks Colombia University in early 1972-74 and I used to participate in student movement meetings. It was fashionable to talk about self determination up to and including secession. Anybody that did not support the cause of the Eritrean struggle was labeled as reactionary. I tried to explain in some meetings why our soldiers are fighting in Eritrea and why it is wrong to condemn them for protecting the unity of Ethiopia. As usual, I was labeled as a reactionary soldier who has been serving the interest of the feudal regime and my concern was dismissed. There is some credence to the claim that the student movement unwittingly allowed itself to be used by forces that had inimical agenda to Ethiopias interest.

ሻለቃ ዳዊት ወልደጊዮርጊስ በወቅቱ የነበረውን ዕውነታ እንዲህ ያቀርቡታል :: ነገር ግን በአሁኑ ዘመን የኢሕአፓ መሪዎች ነን የሚሉ ሰዎች ድርጅታቸው የኤርትራን ከኢትዮጵያ መገንጠል መቼውንም ደግፎ እንደማያውቅ ሸምጥጠው ይክዳሉ :: ሃቁ ግን ኢሕአፓ በተመሠረተበት ምዕራብ በርሊን በሚያዝያ ወር 1964 .. በተደረገው የኢትዮጵያ ተማሪዎች ስብሰባ በሟቹ ዶክተር እሸቱ ጮሌ ሰብሳቢነት "የብሔር ብሔረሰቦችን መብት እስከመገንጠል ድረስ በመሠረታዊ መርህነት " ተቀባይ እንዲሆን አድርጓል :: ስለዚህ ኢሕአፓ ትክክለኛ ተልዕኮው የነበረው የሻቢያ የትሮይ ፈረስ ሆኖ የተማሩ የመሐል አገር ኢትዮጵያውያንን ለማስጨፍጨፍ የሚያገለግል ድርጅት ሆኖ መዋቀሩ ነው ::

ዶክተር በሪሁን (አረጋዊ ) በርሄ (Aregawi Berhe, (2009). A Political History of the TPLF (Excerpts ) )

እኒህ ሰው ድርጅታቸው ወያኔ 1967-68 .. የኢሕአፓ ተዋጊዎችን ሲጨፈጭፍ ሻቢያ እንዳልደገፋቸው ሽምጥጥ አድርገው ይክዳሉ :: እንዲያውም ኢሕአፓ በወያኔ በመመታቱ ሻቢያ ቅር ብሎት ነበር ይሉናል :: በዚሁ ጽሑፋቸው
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... The EPRP was then considered the strongest revolutionary party and indeed had huge numbers of followers all over Ethiopia. It was also widely believed to assume power sooner or later. The EPLF too seemed to believe this. For the EPLF, its relationship with the EPRP was thus much more important, as the latter claimed to represent the whole Ethiopia. And when compared with the EPRP at that time (1975-76), the TPLF was just a small ethno-nationalist movement with fewer followers. However, there were some sticky political problems for both the TPLF and EPRP regarding Eritrea. While they recognized the struggle for the Eritrean independence as genuine, they had differences as to whether the case was a 'colonial issue' or not. Without conducting the necessary study or having appropriate discussions, the TPLF held the view that the Eritrean case was a 'colonial question.' as the EPLF wanted it to be. It was probably an opportunistic stand, designed to outflank the EPRP from the privileged position the EPLF offering it. Without understanding the consequences that were to haunt it in the discourse of Ethiopian political history, this position continued to be the stand of the TPLF for years to come.
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Towards the end of 1975, differences between the EPRP and the TPLF surfaced when they were operating in the same territory and trying to mobilize and organize the same people. News of rivalry between the two was also coming from the towns. On the initiative of the TPLF. leaders of both fronts met in Marwa in January 1976 to look into these encounters and consider possible remedies. The TPLF presented a suggestion that it thought would benefit both organizations and avoid them overlapping and clashing. The TPLF requested that the EPRP operate in regions of the country that the TPLF could not reach. By implication, the suggestion was recognition of the TPLF as the viable front that could take care of the struggle in Tigrai against the common enemy, the Derg. As we saw earlier, the demand infuriated EPRP delegates and they broke off the meeting and enmity was created. This was a concern fro EPLF leaders, but their main worry was that a fragmented or ethnically based movement in Ethiopia might weaken a viable future ally the EPRP. Eventually, TPLF military action, like that launched against the TLF, would deprive the EPLF of an ally expected to seize power in Ethiopia and the anticipated acquiescence to handle the Eritran question would evaporate. The EPLF continued to exert pressure on the TPLF to come to terms with the EPRP and in a letter to the TPLF, the concerns of the EPLF were clearly stated, with an underlying warning note. For strategic purposes, the EPLF stood beside the EPRP and influenced by their leader's desire to work with the EPRP, EPLF top cadres urged Ethiopians, and especially Tigraians in Eritrea, to join the EPRP and not the TPLF.

በዚህ ጉዳይ ላይ ሌሎች የሚሉት ደግሞ ዶክተር በሪሁን (አረጋዊ ) ከሚሉት ተቃራኒ ነው :: እንዲያውም አቶ ተስፋዬ መኮንን "ይድረስ ለባለታሪኩ " በተባለው መጽሐፋቸው እንደገለጹት ሻቢያ የኢሕአፓን ተወጊዎች 1966 .. እስከ 1967 .. ደረስ 9 ወሮች ላላነሠ ጊዜ በሣህል በረሃ አግቶ ያቆየው ወያኔን አደራጅቶ እና አስታጥቆ በትግራይ ክፍለ -ሀገር እስኪያሠማራ ድረስ እንደነበረ አሳውቀውናል :: በኋላም ወያኔ የኢሕአፓን አባሎችና ተዋጊዎች ከሻቢያና ደርግ ጋር በማበር እንዳጠፋ በሥፋት ተገልጿል ::

ሻለቃ ዳዊት ወልደ ጊዮርጊስ ማን ናቸው ? በእርግጥ እርሣቸው በገለጹት መንገድ ብቻ የሚታወቁ ሰው ናቸው ? እኒህ ራሣቸውን የኢትዮጵያ "አዳኝ መሢህ " አድርገው ያቀረቡ ሰው ሌላ የሚታወቁበት ታሪክ የላቸውም ? ቤተሰቦቻቸውስ ?

ዶክተር በሪሁን (አረጋዊ ) በርሄ 33 ዓመታት በኋላ ድርጅታቸው ወያኔ በዘረኝነት ተነሣስቶ በኢሕአፓ አባሎች ላይ ለፈፀመው ጭፍጨፋ በይፋ ይቅርታ እንደመጠየቅ ሃቁን መካድ ለምን አስፈለጋቸው ?

ዞሮ ዞሮ አዲሱ ትውልድ ከዚህ ዓይነቱ የፖለቲካ እንቅስቃሴ ሊማረው የሚገባው ጉዳይ ለኢትዮጵያ የሚበጇት የፖለቲካ መሪዎች ምንጫቸውና ትክክለኛ ግባቸው የታወቀ : የቤተሰቦቻቸው የኋላ ታሪክ በግልጽ የሚታወቅ መሆን እንደሚኖርበት ነው :: የሚያብረቀርቅ ነገር ሁሉ ወርቅ አይደለም :: ስለኢትዮጵያ ከእኔ በላይ የሚሉ ፖለቲከኞች የኋላ ማንነታቸው ሌላ ነው :: ስለዚህ ነገርን ከሥሩ ውሃን ከጥሩ ነውና ሁሉንም መመርመር ያሻል :: በተለይ ኢትዮጵያውያን በመረጃ ዕጦት ዘመን ሲደግፏቸው የቆዩትን የፖለቲካ ድርጅቶች ውስጠ -ሚሥጢር እንደገና መፈተሽ ይኖርባቸዋል ::

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

አቶ ተድላ
ከበፊት ጀምሮ የምትጽፈው ስለ ኢህአፓ መጥፎነት ነው ::
ኢሰፓ ነበርክ እንዴ ?
ደርጎች ናቸው ሁልጊዜ ኢሀኢፓን የሚያብጠለጥሉ ::
ባለፈው የሸዋ ኦርግ አዘጋጆችን ስታስፈራራና ማንነታቸውን ሳታውቅ አውቃቸዋለሁ ስትል ልክ የኢሰፓዎች ጸባይ ትዝ አለኝ :: በባዶ ሜዳ ምስፈራራት ይወዳሉ ::
ኢህአፓ በህልምህም ሳይመጣ አይቀርም ::
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ምምምም እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
አቶ ተድላ
ከበፊት ጀምሮ የምትጽፈው ስለ ኢህአፓ መጥፎነት ነው ::
ኢሰፓ ነበርክ እንዴ ?
ደርጎች ናቸው ሁልጊዜ ኢሀኢፓን የሚያብጠለጥሉ ::
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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