Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Prophets?
ሞጥሟጣው you are active when it comes to diverting people's attention off the thread Even so, you can't escape from new challenges.
"In the Communist Manifesto, Marx does lay out a 10-point plan advising the redistribution of land and production to begin the transition to communism, but he ensured that even this was very general and all-encompassing. It has always been presumed that Marx intended these theories to read this way specifically so that later theorists in specific situations could adapt communism to their own localities and conditions."
and
We know that one of the Genius elder Ethiopia ever had - Ato zumra - adapted this seemingly improbable utiopiansim for his village from his very little exposure to Marxist ideology as a soldier.
http://www.awraamba.com/
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Zumra had a dream - that one day he would live in a place where men and women are equal, where religion doesn’ t dictate the way of life and where people would love each other and live in peace.
Awra Amba, the village he created with a handful of people, now houses over 400 happy inhabitants, from different tribal and religious backgrounds.
They follow a humanist philosophy including gender equality, democratic decision-making and equal labour division. All children are educated and the elderly and sick are cared for.
Here, you will not find any churches, mosques or places of worship. Instead, the community believes in one creator that made everyone equal. The community holds high spiritual, ethical and moral standards, stressing that their faith is manifested through their actions.
Recently, new communities based on his principles have started to emerge in many parts of the country.
እናመሰግንሃለ� እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
1. A prophet is a radical realist.
A prophet is ordinarily dismissed as idealistic. But idealism, in the sense of fantasy, is furthest from his mind. He takes the most direct route to reality he can find. He will not rest with half-truths and half-way houses. He yearns for raw reality, unencumbered by custom, cliche, theory, or artifice. Only simplicity will please him: an ideal that may call for a return to the days when life was purer, more direct, more honest. Fed on the pap of popular superstition and myth, the mass of men prefer mush to the rocky hardtack thrown back at them by the prophet.They fear reality with its rough edges, its disruptions, its anguish-producing ambiguities. So, to salve their own inversion of things, they call the prophet visionary. They stone him with temple stones. But he does not mind. His house belongs to another kingdom and stands on another ground, prepared for men from the foundations of the world.
A prophet can bind himself to his reality because he has been liberated from what immures most men. This is
their blind devotion to the existing order and their protective identification with it. The prophet's disenchantment with the establishment makes possible his preternatural perception and criticism. He shows appearance for what it is because he takes the standpoint of reality. To see one's own society for what it is, one must live on a mountain of solitude, eat the locusts of ostracism, and sharpen one's eagle eye. A prophet
nurses no illusions about his people. He has suffered himself to be stripped of the last vestige of sentiment toward the status qua. His alienation is total, for
he sees the alienation of his society as total. His exile is self-imposed. Yet he still feels identified with the deeper and meliorative dimension of his people. He shares the burden of their failure and their need for redemption.
2. A prophet as perceiving an ultimate order of goodness
3. A prophet criticizes and judges the existing social order
4. A prophet is committed to actions and demands that others committed themselves.
5. A prophet warns men of destruction and promises fulfillment.
(Excerpts from The Prophetic Mission of Karl Marx)
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
What is prophecy? and a prophet?
Why only in the old days? Why not modern prophets?
Is every word of prophets Godly?
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If you keep saying things are going to be bad, you have a good chance of being a prophet
ፀዋር
Ironically, one of the world's terrible cliches, myths and fanatic idealisms that was severly out of touch with reality and, therefore, could not qualify its creator as a "prophet," was Karl Marx' Communism itself.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Prophets?
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
"In the Communist Manifesto, Marx does lay out a 10-point plan advising the redistribution of land and production to begin the transition to communism, but he ensured that even this was very general and all-encompassing. It has always been presumed that Marx intended these theories to read this way specifically so that later theorists in specific situations could adapt communism to their own localities and conditions."
and
We know that one of the Genius elder Ethiopia ever had - Ato zumra - adapted this seemingly improbable utiopiansim for his village from his very little exposure to Marxist ideology as a soldier.
http://www.awraamba.com/
Quote:
Zumra had a dream - that one day he would live in a place where men and women are equal, where religion doesn’ t dictate the way of life and where people would love each other and live in peace.
Awra Amba, the village he created with a handful of people, now houses over 400 happy inhabitants, from different tribal and religious backgrounds.
They follow a humanist philosophy including gender equality, democratic decision-making and equal labour division. All children are educated and the elderly and sick are cared for.
Here, you will not find any churches, mosques or places of worship. Instead, the community believes in one creator that made everyone equal. The community holds high spiritual, ethical and moral standards, stressing that their faith is manifested through their actions.
Recently, new communities based on his principles have started to emerge in many parts of the country.
እናመሰግንሃለ� እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
1. A prophet is a radical realist.
A prophet is ordinarily dismissed as idealistic. But idealism, in the sense of fantasy, is furthest from his mind. He takes the most direct route to reality he can find. He will not rest with half-truths and half-way houses. He yearns for raw reality, unencumbered by custom, cliche, theory, or artifice. Only simplicity will please him: an ideal that may call for a return to the days when life was purer, more direct, more honest. Fed on the pap of popular superstition and myth, the mass of men prefer mush to the rocky hardtack thrown back at them by the prophet.They fear reality with its rough edges, its disruptions, its anguish-producing ambiguities. So, to salve their own inversion of things, they call the prophet visionary. They stone him with temple stones. But he does not mind. His house belongs to another kingdom and stands on another ground, prepared for men from the foundations of the world.
A prophet can bind himself to his reality because he has been liberated from what immures most men. This is
their blind devotion to the existing order and their protective identification with it. The prophet's disenchantment with the establishment makes possible his preternatural perception and criticism. He shows appearance for what it is because he takes the standpoint of reality. To see one's own society for what it is, one must live on a mountain of solitude, eat the locusts of ostracism, and sharpen one's eagle eye. A prophet
nurses no illusions about his people. He has suffered himself to be stripped of the last vestige of sentiment toward the status qua. His alienation is total, for
he sees the alienation of his society as total. His exile is self-imposed. Yet he still feels identified with the deeper and meliorative dimension of his people. He shares the burden of their failure and their need for redemption.
2. A prophet as perceiving an ultimate order of goodness
3. A prophet criticizes and judges the existing social order
4. A prophet is committed to actions and demands that others committed themselves.
5. A prophet warns men of destruction and promises fulfillment.
(Excerpts from The Prophetic Mission of Karl Marx)
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
What is prophecy? and a prophet?
Why only in the old days? Why not modern prophets?
Is every word of prophets Godly?
Quote:
If you keep saying things are going to be bad, you have a good chance of being a prophet
ፀዋር
Ironically, one of the world's terrible cliches, myths and fanatic idealisms that was severly out of touch with reality and, therefore, could not qualify its creator as a "prophet," was Karl Marx' Communism itself.
Is Egalitarian Utopianism Marx's philosophy?
No, it was not.
Long long long before him, Jesus Christ spoke of the need to maintain egalitarian utopianism in which the center is God and self-denial.
The only difference is Marx took the egalitarian part and made the devil the center of it. That is why his philosophy served as a justification to slaughter 22 million Russian Christians, and later, several more millions, including Ethiopians, when the rabies called communism spread across the world.
Conclusion- Marx's cliche was sick due to its satanic core. It caused a lot of blood shed both in Russia and elsewhere.
The only reason Awramba is groomed in Ethiopia is because it is secular egalitarianism. They like the "secular" part, because that is how they can convince the remaining 90% religious people of Ethiopia to undermine their religion.
There is nothing that makes Awramba specially resistant to global satanic and economic forces. It is only kept safe for anti-religious propaganda purposes of the secular-humanitarian globalizing hegemony of the West and its representative pro-Communist EPRDF government.
We all know that.
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We might need new thread to continue debating about Marxist Philosophy, if you wish. But here, in this thread, the emphasis is about the author(s) of your bible. When I shared others view of "a prophet" with you my intention was to encourage you (Christians) to think about it so that you can forward your understanding of "prophecy" and "a prophet". Why is the bible full of contradictions if God is believed to write it through his chosen prohpets? Were the prophets misunderstood him? or were they sometimes not honest with him? or it is God's fault?
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Does God Remember Sin?
Exodus 34.6-7: And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."
Jeremiah 31:34: No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, "Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
Is There an Unforgivable Sin?
Mark 3:28-29: I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.
(There is an unforgivable sin)
1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
(Jesus forgives our sins. No exceptions mentioned)
Colossians 2:13: When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.
("All" of our sins are forgiven)
Is Jesus the Same As God?
John 10:30: I and my father are one.
(Jesus is God)
John 14:28: I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
(God is greater than Jesus)
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I am sorry to say that you are just a loser. I advise you to sit down and learn, first. You are እኮ no where Get a standing point for your argument are you a muslim Or a protestant Or a buddhisit Or an atheist
Sir, I advise you again just to calm down , read and ask/learn. Then come to questioning (if any); unfortunately, it seems you started the other way round. ምስኪን !
Read this part of the bible, a very Ethiopian advice for you . ‘’ And Philip ran thither to him(the eunuch, Ethiopian), and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said how can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.’’ Acts 8:30-31
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ሌላ ሙትቻ መጣህ ደሞ ማንበብ አትችልም ልበል ወይስ በንዴት ስትንቀለቀል የምታነበው አይገባህም አዋቂዎች እኮ አይሳደቡም :: የተጠየቁትን በስርዓቱ መልሰው አንገት ነው የሚያስደፉት :: ገና መግቢያው ላይ ደደብ ጥያቄ የለም ደደብ መልስ እንጂ የሚለውን አባባል አስታውሼ ነበር :: ከሚጢጢ ጭንቅላት ይውጣ ሀሳቡን በትክክል መግለጽ ከማይችል ሰው the only thing that matters is the question, not the person. But since you are another idiot, you can't make a civilized debate.
I told you, I don't believe in your non-sense doctrine, God or bible; does that make me atheist? Is that how your "super" brain, nurtured with extraordinary wisdom, interpreted things?
Look how silly you are, because Richard Dawkins says he can't be 100% certain about the non-existence of God, you trying to fool yourself as if he proved you the righteousness of your GOD. Grow up man! For one thing he didn't claim himself as agnostic and for another even if he did so, it has nothing to do neither with my belief nor with my questions in this thread. I freed my self, long, long time ago, from sticking to the act of "herd-behaviour". Can you understand that? Do I need to ease my words? I'm asking you if your god is the true God that I believe in. I don't believe in a God who was wrong yesterday and right today; I don't believe in God who possesses confused personality; I don't believe in God who is loving and at the same time hatred; wise and arrogant; merciful and cruel; all knowing and retarded; ... that's how your bible portrayed him. I started my question with his "spiritual autonomy over the bible". If you knew anything, be brave and address my question: who wrote the bible which is full of contradiction and a manifestation of irrational behavior? Was it your God?
You need to convince me about this first before you tried to advise me to rely on the bible to "find myself"
I am sorry to say that you are just a loser. I advise you to sit down and learn, first. You are እኮ no where Get a standing point for your argument are you a muslim Or a protestant Or a buddhisit Or an atheist
Sir, I advise you again just to calm down , read and ask/learn. Then come to questioning (if any); unfortunately, it seems you started the other way round. ምስኪን !
Read this part of the bible, a very Ethiopian advice for you . ‘’ And Philip ran thither to him(the eunuch, Ethiopian), and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said how can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.’’ Acts 8:30-31
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I freed my self, long, long time ago, from sticking to the act of "herd-behaviour".
Then, why are you one of the sheep of people like Richard Dawkins? Is he your "good shepherd"?
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I am sorry to say that you are just a loser. I advise you to sit down and learn, first. You are እኮ no where Get a standing point for your argument are you a muslim Or a protestant Or a buddhisit Or an atheist
Sir, I advise you again just to calm down , read and ask/learn. Then come to questioning (if any); unfortunately, it seems you started the other way round. ምስኪን !
Read this part of the bible, a very Ethiopian advice for you . ‘’ And Philip ran thither to him(the eunuch, Ethiopian), and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said how can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.’’ Acts 8:30-31
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I am questioning about your sources (Karl Marx, Richard Dawkins, blah blah) just like you question my sources (the Bible). There is nothing ad-hominem about this. If you feel unfairly attacked, then know that you are unfairly attacking others too.
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
የምታሳዝን ደብተራ ነህ አዋቂም አይደለህ "ለዛፍ የሚሰግደው " ዴይስት እንዴት ሲሆን የኤቲስት ተከታይ ይሆናል ካልቆነጠጡህ የሰው አናት ላይ የምትሸና ደብተራ ሳትሆን አትቀርምና ቁንጥጫ ልታስጀምረኝ ነው ::
በመንጋ የሚነዳው እንዳንተ ያለው ነው :: You know that everything you believed in is non-sense, yet you would rather die in the herd than getting yourself freed. እኔ የሚገርመኝ ግን መቼ ነው እንደ ምሁርና ፔፐር ማሳተም እንጀራው እንደሆነ ሰው ስለኔ ማውራት ትተህ ስለማነሳው ሀሳብ የምታወራው
Look what your argument looks like
1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.
They call it Ad Hominem Your strategy
እናመሰግንሃለ� እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ፀዋር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
I freed my self, long, long time ago, from sticking to the act of "herd-behaviour".
Then, why are you one of the sheep of people like Richard Dawkins? Is he your "good shepherd"?
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የነማርክስንና የሌሎች አባቶቸህን ንግግር ና ጽሁፍ እንደወረዱ ገልብጠህ ለመጮህ ትሞክራለህ when it comes to Words of God, you start shouting when you are just on page 1 ለማንኛውም ትዝ ያለህ አባባልም ቢሆን መልሱን እያወቁ ጥያቄዎችን የሚጠይቁትንና ማወቅ የማይፈልጉ ደደብ ጠያቂዎችን የሉም አላለም
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I don't believe in God...
Who is your god then, if you have any? You denied that you are not atheist/ agnostic....; Then you have to be a theist Or is your god not yet there and that means, we would have another god of your group, who would come to existence after his creatures Eski, tell me about your god, please
I am sorry to say that you are just a loser. I advise you to sit down and learn, first. You are እኮ no where Get a standing point for your argument are you a muslim Or a protestant Or a buddhisit Or an atheist
Sir, I advise you again just to calm down , read and ask/learn. Then come to questioning (if any); unfortunately, it seems you started the other way round. ምስኪን !
Read this part of the bible, a very Ethiopian advice for you . ‘’ And Philip ran thither to him(the eunuch, Ethiopian), and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said how can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.’’ Acts 8:30-31
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