ዛዙ ... No country in the globe has ever tried neo-liberal economic model in ITS TRUEST sense. Not even the USA. በሌላ አነጋገር No government in the world has ever fixated its role into a watchdog ... Haven't you realized that the more they approached to the TRUEST sense, the worest crises they face? ... What the world has so far experienced is the so called "embedded (neo)liberalism" Following the structural adjustment program, several African countries (exclude Ethiopia) have tried the embedded form and they are still screaming. ... The logic behind is clear, the private sector, with profit motives, has no interest what-so-ever to invest in public goods that have no incentives such as roads. Infrustructures that have good incentives such as telecoms, medias, and banks could be attractive, but hey, it is Africa The governments too need them so badly
የጫኑትን የሚያራግፍ አህያ ብቻ ነው ብሎሀል ወንድሜ ቆቁ :: ዝም ብለህ ሰው ያለውን አትደጋግም :: Meles was claiming on the basis of some unsubstanitated IMF??/WB?? report that the private sector has failed to deliver in Africa in the area of infrastructure development because there is a gap of 90 billion USD in infrastructure in Africa. I don't want to spring off left, right and center in Africa but will leave you and your so-called ሊቀ ሊቃውንት to answer the question in the context of Ethiopia. Which field of infrastructure was liberalized in Ethiopia and failed to attract private investors? Is it ICT, air-travel, railways, highways ..? Was there a neo-liberal economic model in Africa (in its truest sense) that can be said to have failed? Can it be said that at least one African government provided the proper legal framework, conducive free and democratic atomosphere for the operation of private investment and yet to failed to attract it? If so, I'd dare you and your presumptuous PM to provide that example. If you say Africa had its own experiment in neo-liberalism,.....which country exactly?
ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
As you know the neo-liberal thinking that is dominant in these institutions believe the African state should limit itself to building schools, clinics and so called social infrastructure and leave the rest to the private sector. The only problem with that approach is we have done exactly that for 30 years and the result has been the massive gap in infrastructural investment that is crippling the prospects of economic growth in our continent.
Einstein is supposed to have said you cannot solve a problem by limiting yourself to the level of thinking that created the problem in the first instance. We cannot solve the gap in infrastructural investment by limiting ourselves to the neo-liberal thinking that created the problem in the first instance.
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ድሮውንስ ማን መንገድ እና ውሀ በግል ይሰራ ብሎ ድርቅ አለ ? መሰረታዊ ድህነት -ቀናሽ መሠረተ -ልማት መሥራትማ የመንግስት ኃላፊነት እንደሆነ ማንም አያጣውም :: ካደጉት አገሮችም ልምድም የምናየው ይሄን ነው ትልልቆቹን የመሰረተ -ልማት አውታሮች መንግሥት ነው በቦንድም በምንም እያለ መጀመሪያ ፋይናንስ ያደረጋቸው ....ኢኮኖሚያቸው እየጎለበተ ሲሄድ የተወሰነውን ፕራቬይታዝ ቢያረጉትም :: ይሄን የመንግሥት እና የግል ኢንቬስትመንት ወሰን ለመለየትም እኮ የህዝብ ውክልና ያለው መንግሥት ስልጣን ላይ ሲኖር ለመነጋገር ያመቻል :: አፍሪካውያን እኮ ሥልጣኑን እና ኢንቬስትመንቱን በቤተሰብ እና በግል ይዘው ለነሱ የሚመቻቸውን ህግ ሁሉ ባንድ አዳር የሚያወጡበት ፓርላማ ለይስሙላ አስቀምጠው እኮ ነው ሞከርን የሚሉት :: በኛ አገርም አንተ የጠቀስካቸው የ 'ኤፈርት እና የአላሙዲን ተሞክሮ ምሳሌ ነው :: ይኸው ራሱ ዳግማዊ ...የጠቀሳቸው የኔዎ -ሊበራል አይነተኛ ምሳሌዎች (ዛምቢያ ናይጀሪያ .... እኔ ደግሞ ጋናና ኬንያ ታንዛኒያን ጨመርኩበት ) በአንድ አስርት ውስጥ ያስመዘገቡትን ዕድገት መመልከት ትችላለህ አልኩህ እኮ :: እኔ ሁሉን ነገር በግል እንሥራ አላልኩም :: ነገር ግን በግል እና የመንግሥት ድብልቅ ሞዴል ሰበብ እንደኢትዮጵያ ያሉ አገሮች ላይ ኢንቬስትመንትና የህዝብ ነጻነት እየታፈነ የጥቂቶች መበልጸጊያ መሳሪያ ሆኗል ነው ክርክሬ :: Which are the countries that are still 'screaming" as a result of neo-liberal policies, even assuming they implemented free-market in conjunction with free society? Are they worse off than Ethiopia, in terms of key indicators like poverty-reduction, education, health, GDP growth, inflation and unemployment? I have traveled and worked throughout most of Africa so you can't give me an example of which I don't know too closely.
ሓየት 11 እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ጤና ይስጥልን ወገን ዛዙ
ያለኝን ጣል አድርጌ ውልቅ ለበል እስቲ
ዛዙ ... No country in the globe has ever tried neo-liberal economic model in ITS TRUEST sense. Not even the USA. በሌላ አነጋገር No government in the world has ever fixated its role into a watchdog ... Haven't you realized that the more they approached to the TRUEST sense, the worest crises they face? ... What the world has so far experienced is the so called "embedded (neo)liberalism" Following the structural adjustment program, several African countries (exclude Ethiopia) have tried the embedded form and they are still screaming. ... The logic behind is clear, the private sector, with profit motives, has no interest what-so-ever to invest in public goods that have no incentives such as roads. Infrustructures that have good incentives such as telecoms, medias, and banks could be attractive, but hey, it is Africa The governments too need them so badly
የጫኑትን የሚያራግፍ አህያ ብቻ ነው ብሎሀል ወንድሜ ቆቁ :: ዝም ብለህ ሰው ያለውን አትደጋግም :: Meles was claiming on the basis of some unsubstanitated IMF??/WB?? report that the private sector has failed to deliver in Africa in the area of infrastructure development because there is a gap of 90 billion USD in infrastructure in Africa. I don't want to spring off left, right and center in Africa but will leave you and your so-called ሊቀ ሊቃውንት to answer the question in the context of Ethiopia. Which field of infrastructure was liberalized in Ethiopia and failed to attract private investors? Is it ICT, air-travel, railways, highways ..? Was there a neo-liberal economic model in Africa (in its truest sense) that can be said to have failed? Can it be said that at least one African government provided the proper legal framework, conducive free and democratic atomosphere for the operation of private investment and yet to failed to attract it? If so, I'd dare you and your presumptuous PM to provide that example. If you say Africa had its own experiment in neo-liberalism,.....which country exactly?
ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
As you know the neo-liberal thinking that is dominant in these institutions believe the African state should limit itself to building schools, clinics and so called social infrastructure and leave the rest to the private sector. The only problem with that approach is we have done exactly that for 30 years and the result has been the massive gap in infrastructural investment that is crippling the prospects of economic growth in our continent.
Einstein is supposed to have said you cannot solve a problem by limiting yourself to the level of thinking that created the problem in the first instance. We cannot solve the gap in infrastructural investment by limiting ourselves to the neo-liberal thinking that created the problem in the first instance.
ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት መለስ ዜናዊ
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ዛዙ ... No country in the globe has ever tried neo-liberal economic model in ITS TRUEST sense. Not even the USA. በሌላ አነጋገር No government in the world has ever fixated its role into a watchdog ... Haven't you realized that the more they approached to the TRUEST sense, the worest crises they face? ... What the world has so far experienced is the so called "embedded (neo)liberalism" Following the structural adjustment program, several African countries (exclude Ethiopia) have tried the embedded form and they are still screaming. ... The logic behind is clear, the private sector, with profit motives, has no interest what-so-ever to invest in public goods that have no incentives such as roads. Infrustructures that have good incentives such as telecoms, medias, and banks could be attractive, but hey, it is Africa The governments too need them so badly
የጫኑትን የሚያራግፍ አህያ ብቻ ነው ብሎሀል ወንድሜ ቆቁ :: ዝም ብለህ ሰው ያለውን አትደጋግም :: Meles was claiming on the basis of some unsubstanitated IMF??/WB?? report that the private sector has failed to deliver in Africa in the area of infrastructure development because there is a gap of 90 billion USD in infrastructure in Africa. I don't want to spring off left, right and center in Africa but will leave you and your so-called ሊቀ ሊቃውንት to answer the question in the context of Ethiopia. Which field of infrastructure was liberalized in Ethiopia and failed to attract private investors? Is it ICT, air-travel, railways, highways ..? Was there a neo-liberal economic model in Africa (in its truest sense) that can be said to have failed? Can it be said that at least one African government provided the proper legal framework, conducive free and democratic atomosphere for the operation of private investment and yet to failed to attract it? If so, I'd dare you and your presumptuous PM to provide that example. If you say Africa had its own experiment in neo-liberalism,.....which country exactly?
ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
As you know the neo-liberal thinking that is dominant in these institutions believe the African state should limit itself to building schools, clinics and so called social infrastructure and leave the rest to the private sector. The only problem with that approach is we have done exactly that for 30 years and the result has been the massive gap in infrastructural investment that is crippling the prospects of economic growth in our continent.
Einstein is supposed to have said you cannot solve a problem by limiting yourself to the level of thinking that created the problem in the first instance. We cannot solve the gap in infrastructural investment by limiting ourselves to the neo-liberal thinking that created the problem in the first instance.
ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት መለስ ዜናዊ
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የጠየከኝ እኮ If you say Africa had its own experiment in neo-liberalism,.....which country exactly?" የራሱን ኤክፔሪመንት ያደረገ አፍሪካዊ ሀገር ነው የመለስኩልህም ጥያቄህን ነው ....አሁን አንተ የምትቀባጥረው ሌላ ጉዳይ ነው ....ዲየዲየብ
Meles was claiming on the basis of some unsubstanitated IMF??/WB?? report that the private sector has failed to deliver in Africa in the area of infrastructure development because there is a gap of 90 billion USD in infrastructure in Africa.
Studies show that sub-Saharan Africa’ s poor growth performance is related to underinvestment in electricity and telecom infrastructure. It is estimated that if Africa enjoyed South Korea’ s quantity and quality of infrastructure, it would raise its annual per-capita growth by 1 percentage point. In Africa, closing the infrastructure gap to sustain 7 percent growth rate by 2015 will require more than USD 80 billion per year of investment by the public and private sectors over the next decade, split evenly between new investment and operation as well as maintenance. Half of this need, about USD40 billion, is currently being met – but USD 20 billion, about half of the gap, could be found through improved efficiency. This includes putting in place good policy, legal and regulatory frameworks, improving the performance of state-owned enterprises, and the maintenance of existing infrastructure. The remaining financing gap is thus estimated at USD 20 billion per year.
Public investment in infrastructure from all sources declined steadily through the early 1980s and 1990s. One survey of 11 African countries showed that their internal investment in infrastructure dropped from more than 4% of GDP in the 1980-1986 period to less than 2% in the period from 1996-2001. External investment from public sources, both in the form of bilateral official development assistance (ODA) and multilateral lending, also declined substantially. Infrastructure's share of bilateral ODA in sub-Saharan Africa dropped during the 1990s from about 25% to about 10%.
The World Bank's infrastructure lending also declined sharply worldwide as a percentage of its overall business, down to 21% in 1999 from the more typical previous levels of around 40%, with corresponding declines in its African investments.
The reasons for this drop in both internal and external financing of infrastructure include a shift in emphasis to health and education programs and a belief that the private sector would come in and finance infrastructure development. The latter has not happened to any significant degree, except in telecommunications (phone service) and, to a lesser extent, in the energy sector. By one estimate, total private-sector infrastructure investment from foreign sources (the only private-sector activity on which reliable data exist) has averaged $1.8 billion in recent years, but the private sector plays little or no role in financing such core elements of poverty-reducing infrastructure as roads, water and sanitation, and rural electrification.
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Was there a neo-liberal economic model in Africa (in its truest sense) that can be said to have failed?
There can not be a failure in its truest sense than the following facts
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Only 27.6% of Africa's 2 million kilometres of roads are paved, falling down to 19% for sub-Saharan Africa, compared to 27% in Latin America and 43% in South Asia.
Only a few airports have attained FAA Category I status (complying with the International Civil Aviation Organisation Standards) required for international flights (in Egypt, Cape Verde, Ethiopia, Morocco, Ghana and South Africa).
Only one African seaport is owned by one of the five largest global port operators known worldwide for their efficiency and most container terminals are reaching or have reached capacity limits, and are under-equipped.
Sub-Saharan Africa accounts for 3% of the rail transport of the developing world (for 17% of its population and 7% of its GDP).
Sub-Saharan Africa has the lowest drinking water and sanitation coverage in the world: 322 and 463 million people lack access to drinking water and sanitation facilities, respectively. Globally, diarrhoea is usually caused by poor sanitary conditions - is the second cause of child mortality, with 5000 children under 5 dying every day.
Only 7% of hydraulic capacity and less than 1% of geothermal capacity are exploited. Photovoltaic development remains embryonic.
Africa has the lowest level of electrification in the developing world, with 35.5% of population in 2002, to be compared to 42.8% in Asia, 89.2% in Latin America, 88.1% in East Asia and 91.8% in the Middle East.
Can it be said that at least one African government provided the proper legal framework, conducive free and democratic atomosphere for the operation of private investment and yet to failed to attract it?
_________________ “Meles Zenawi's passion was in abolishing poverty"Former Prime Minister of United Kingdom Gordon Brown
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ስላም ሐየት :
ድሮውንስ ማን መንገድ እና ውሀ በግል ይሰራ ብሎ ድርቅ አለ ? መሰረታዊ ድህነት -ቀናሽ መሠረተ -ልማት መሥራትማ የመንግስት ኃላፊነት እንደሆነ ማንም አያጣውም :: ካደጉት አገሮችም ልምድም የምናየው ይሄን ነው ትልልቆቹን የመሰረተ -ልማት አውታሮች መንግሥት ነው በቦንድም በምንም እያለ መጀመሪያ ፋይናንስ ያደረጋቸው ....ኢኮኖሚያቸው እየጎለበተ ሲሄድ የተወሰነውን ፕራቬይታዝ ቢያረጉትም :: ይሄን የመንግሥት እና የግል ኢንቬስትመንት ወሰን ለመለየትም እኮ የህዝብ ውክልና ያለው መንግሥት ስልጣን ላይ ሲኖር ለመነጋገር ያመቻል :: አፍሪካውያን እኮ ሥልጣኑን እና ኢንቬስትመንቱን በቤተሰብ እና በግል ይዘው ለነሱ የሚመቻቸውን ህግ ሁሉ ባንድ አዳር የሚያወጡበት ፓርላማ ለይስሙላ አስቀምጠው እኮ ነው ሞከርን የሚሉት :: በኛ አገርም አንተ የጠቀስካቸው የ 'ኤፈርት እና የአላሙዲን ተሞክሮ ምሳሌ ነው :: ይኸው ራሱ ዳግማዊ ...የጠቀሳቸው የኔዎ -ሊበራል አይነተኛ ምሳሌዎች (ዛምቢያ ናይጀሪያ .... እኔ ደግሞ ጋናና ኬንያ ታንዛኒያን ጨመርኩበት ) በአንድ አስርት ውስጥ ያስመዘገቡትን ዕድገት መመልከት ትችላለህ አልኩህ እኮ :: እኔ ሁሉን ነገር በግል እንሥራ አላልኩም :: ነገር ግን በግል እና የመንግሥት ድብልቅ ሞዴል ሰበብ እንደኢትዮጵያ ያሉ አገሮች ላይ ኢንቬስትመንትና የህዝብ ነጻነት እየታፈነ የጥቂቶች መበልጸጊያ መሳሪያ ሆኗል ነው ክርክሬ :: Which are the countries that are still 'screaming" as a result of neo-liberal policies, even assuming they implemented free-market in conjunction with free society? Are they worse off than Ethiopia, in terms of key indicators like poverty-reduction, education, health, GDP growth, inflation and unemployment? I have traveled and worked throughout most of Africa so you can't give me an example of which I don't know too closely.
ሓየት 11 እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ጤና ይስጥልን ወገን ዛዙ
ያለኝን ጣል አድርጌ ውልቅ ለበል እስቲ
ዛዙ ... No country in the globe has ever tried neo-liberal economic model in ITS TRUEST sense. Not even the USA. በሌላ አነጋገር No government in the world has ever fixated its role into a watchdog ... Haven't you realized that the more they approached to the TRUEST sense, the worest crises they face? ... What the world has so far experienced is the so called "embedded (neo)liberalism" Following the structural adjustment program, several African countries (exclude Ethiopia) have tried the embedded form and they are still screaming. ... The logic behind is clear, the private sector, with profit motives, has no interest what-so-ever to invest in public goods that have no incentives such as roads. Infrustructures that have good incentives such as telecoms, medias, and banks could be attractive, but hey, it is Africa The governments too need them so badly
የጫኑትን የሚያራግፍ አህያ ብቻ ነው ብሎሀል ወንድሜ ቆቁ :: ዝም ብለህ ሰው ያለውን አትደጋግም :: Meles was claiming on the basis of some unsubstanitated IMF??/WB?? report that the private sector has failed to deliver in Africa in the area of infrastructure development because there is a gap of 90 billion USD in infrastructure in Africa. I don't want to spring off left, right and center in Africa but will leave you and your so-called ሊቀ ሊቃውንት to answer the question in the context of Ethiopia. Which field of infrastructure was liberalized in Ethiopia and failed to attract private investors? Is it ICT, air-travel, railways, highways ..? Was there a neo-liberal economic model in Africa (in its truest sense) that can be said to have failed? Can it be said that at least one African government provided the proper legal framework, conducive free and democratic atomosphere for the operation of private investment and yet to failed to attract it? If so, I'd dare you and your presumptuous PM to provide that example. If you say Africa had its own experiment in neo-liberalism,.....which country exactly?
ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
As you know the neo-liberal thinking that is dominant in these institutions believe the African state should limit itself to building schools, clinics and so called social infrastructure and leave the rest to the private sector. The only problem with that approach is we have done exactly that for 30 years and the result has been the massive gap in infrastructural investment that is crippling the prospects of economic growth in our continent.
Einstein is supposed to have said you cannot solve a problem by limiting yourself to the level of thinking that created the problem in the first instance. We cannot solve the gap in infrastructural investment by limiting ourselves to the neo-liberal thinking that created the problem in the first instance.
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እንዴት ነው ነገሩ !!!
Neoliberalism
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.. I can't see any difference between government dictatorship and corporate elite controls....
So are you suggesting that if there is no difference, we might as well continue to enjoy our God-given dictatorship?
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.. I can't see any difference between government dictatorship and corporate elite controls....
So are you suggesting that if there is no difference, we might as well continue to enjoy our God-given dictatorship?
My friend, I'm not suggesting any thing. I'm, rather, refuting both of them equally on a factual ground. If you think you have only those two options, what can I say, እርሱ በማይጨለፈው ጸጋና በረከቱ ... ይታሰብህ
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ዳግማዊ ዋለለኝ I will not honor your dumb ideological statements with another long-winded reply. You simply are not worth it. But if you insist, .I have already replied to you as quoted below.
The extremely flat slope of the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት 's learning curve
The so-called ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት of ዳግማዊ stated (I will quote him verbatim to do him justice even though I know he wouldn't do the same to me... ) on May 12, 2012 in Addis during this panel......
Quote:
"My view is that there is no direct relationship between growth...economic growth and democracy, historically or theoretically. But my view is that democracy is a good thing in and of itself, irrespective of its impact on economic growth (applause of sycophants like ዳግማዊ ዋለለኝ ...who were systematically scattered in the auditorium......what is there to applaud in this statement, honestly?) ... ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት continues '..and my view is that in Africa, most of our countries are extremely diverse, that may be the only possibility, the only option, of keeping relationships within nations sane. Democracy may be the only viable option for keeping these diverse nations together .... so we need to democratize but not in order to grow we need to democratize in order to survive as united, sane nations, that's my view. But I don't believe in these nighttime.....er bedtime stories of ..... and contrived arguments linking economic growth with democracy. There is no basis for it in history, and in my view no basis for it in economics. and there is no need to do it, there is no need to have these contrived arguments, because the case for democracy can stand and shine on its own." ሊቀ -ደናቁርት መለስ
The paradox is but obvious for the average thinking mind, let alone for the whizz-kids in that meeting who had the courtesy to let him finish his stupid lecture which was a study in contradictions.
Only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት can understand how a nation that hasn't survived and is being challenged on its unity manages to grow. If democracy is a pre-requisite for survival and unity of a nation, how can it fail to be a pre-requisite for growth and development? How can a nation that hasn't survived the challenges to is unity manage to grow and develop? This is a paradox in his statement that only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት or his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት like ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ ... can answer......
There is no basis for it in history? no basis linking economic growth and democracy in economic theory? Which study/paper is he referring to? His own? Otherwise, isn't the fact that the authoritarian East trailed far behind the democratic West in growth and development during the cold war years a glaring historical evidence? Isn't 'The wealth of Nations' which still a valid piece of literature in economics over the grave of Das Kapital enough theoretical basis? I know capitalism is also hounded by its own problems, but it has shown a tremendous capacity to rebound on many occasions.
There was a time when he also called 3,000 years of Ethiopian history a bedtime story, but he recently lectured us on how Ethiopians were rich with tradition, with proud history lasting 3000 years.
Lesson period: 21 years
There was a time when he called the Ethiopian flag 'a piece of rag' and the myth behind the flag a bedtime story, and he later turned around and instituted a 'national flag' day.
Lesson period: 16 years
There was a time when he called the link between inflation and the over-supply of money in economics a bedtime story of neo-liberal 'monetarists' , but he finally relented and lectured us in the last session of his rubber-stamp parliament on how he is trying to control the money supply to control inflation.
Lesson period: 21 years
Not long ago, he was pontificating that a maritime port is a non-vital commodity that is on sale for anyone with money to buy it, when he was arguing his case against Assab. Now in this lecture of WEF he included ports as part of nation's vital infrastructure for the growth and poverty reduction.
Lesson period: 21 years
It takes the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት at least a decade and a half to understand a very simple topic while it's costing my country a fortune. Ethiopia is tired of paying for his education in economics and public administration, in the meantime suffering from his lapses in judgment, and especially his experiments in the laboratory, which is my country, that are costing us an arm and a leg every year.
And so we are sure that he will lecture us some years down the line, if he is still around, how the neo-liberal economic model, if not stalked by implementation issues, is the best for Africa. We know his learning curve has a very flat slope close to horizontal (I can't imagine how much flatter must be that of his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት ) ....but he will eventually learn. In the meantime, can my country continue to afford to foot the bill for his tuition and lab expenses? That is the question.
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Ethiopia is now considered as a nation comprised of a deeply divided society. There was, however, a time, a very long time, when it was strong and united, but with no footage of democracy. Not even theoretically. ስለዚህ መለስ ብቻ ሳይሆን አንተም በዜሮ ተባዝተሀል የመለስ ችግር ... ችግሩን አድሚት ማድረግ አይሆንለትም :: ... በዲሞክራሲ እንደማያምን ... ኖት ኢቭን አዝ ኤ ነሰሲቲ ፎር ዩኒቲ ... ግልጽ ነው :: ... ግን ደግሞ ... በዲስኩር መሀልም ቢሆን ካልወተፋት ... ፍርፋሪ እንደማያገኝ ያውቃል :: ... ለዛ ነው ... ለአንድነታችን ያስፈልገናል እንጂ ከዕድገት ጋር የሚያገናኘው የለም የሚል ዲስኩር ያሰማው ::
But the point is this "democracy is not a prerequisite neither for development nor for unity!" period! ..., Remember, however, that does not mean that we don't need it ... it's good if we have it, but we don't need to spare time and resource on it before we do what we have to do first, DEVELOPMENT -- የትም ፍጪው ዱቄቱን አምጪው ነው ... you need first to survive before you start living and you can only survive with bread/enjera, not with a wishy washy freedom/liberity. Once you start living, then you can demand whatever quality you need in your life.
Like I said, we were strong united but poor without democracy. The moment democracy visited us theoretically, with its so called ultimate values of "self determination" (without the slightest demand from ourside), our unity began disintegrating. That's the hardest fact to swallow ወንድማለም ...
How do you evaluate the experience of East Asian countries? ... They were strong and united without democracy and they still are ... but no country on earth can be ranked before most of them in terms of achieving competent development in a very short period of time.
If implemented properly, Neoliberalism is the best for Africa ... ያልከው ነገር ትንሽ ፈገግ ያሰኛል ::
If implemented properly, communism could be the best, who knows socialism could be the best as well, how can we know?
Point 1! There is no universal solution for political problems ... what you should do is ... design and adopt your own ideology that best fits your culture, your identity, your history, and above all YOUR VALUES!
ይብቃኝ እስኪ ... ከዚህ ግድም ... ልጥፋ ...
ሓየት ነን
ተምረን ያልጠገብነው
ዛዙ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ዳግማዊ ዋለለኝ I will not honor your dumb ideological statements with another long-winded reply. You simply are not worth it. But if you insist, .I have already replied to you as quoted below.
The extremely flat slope of the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት 's learning curve
The so-called ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት of ዳግማዊ stated (I will quote him verbatim to do him justice even though I know he wouldn't do the same to me... ) on May 12, 2012 in Addis during this panel......
Quote:
"My view is that there is no direct relationship between growth...economic growth and democracy, historically or theoretically. But my view is that democracy is a good thing in and of itself, irrespective of its impact on economic growth (applause of sycophants like ዳግማዊ ዋለለኝ ...who were systematically scattered in the auditorium......what is there to applaud in this statement, honestly?) ... ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት continues '..and my view is that in Africa, most of our countries are extremely diverse, that may be the only possibility, the only option, of keeping relationships within nations sane. Democracy may be the only viable option for keeping these diverse nations together .... so we need to democratize but not in order to grow we need to democratize in order to survive as united, sane nations, that's my view. But I don't believe in these nighttime.....er bedtime stories of ..... and contrived arguments linking economic growth with democracy. There is no basis for it in history, and in my view no basis for it in economics. and there is no need to do it, there is no need to have these contrived arguments, because the case for democracy can stand and shine on its own." ሊቀ -ደናቁርት መለስ
The paradox is but obvious for the average thinking mind, let alone for the whizz-kids in that meeting who had the courtesy to let him finish his stupid lecture which was a study in contradictions.
Only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት can understand how a nation that hasn't survived and is being challenged on its unity manages to grow. If democracy is a pre-requisite for survival and unity of a nation, how can it fail to be a pre-requisite for growth and development? How can a nation that hasn't survived the challenges to is unity manage to grow and develop? This is a paradox in his statement that only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት or his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት like ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ ... can answer......
There is no basis for it in history? no basis linking economic growth and democracy in economic theory? Which study/paper is he referring to? His own? Otherwise, isn't the fact that the authoritarian East trailed far behind the democratic West in growth and development during the cold war years a glaring historical evidence? Isn't 'The wealth of Nations' which still a valid piece of literature in economics over the grave of Das Kapital enough theoretical basis? I know capitalism is also hounded by its own problems, but it has shown a tremendous capacity to rebound on many occasions.
There was a time when he also called 3,000 years of Ethiopian history a bedtime story, but he recently lectured us on how Ethiopians were rich with tradition, with proud history lasting 3000 years.
Lesson period: 21 years
There was a time when he called the Ethiopian flag 'a piece of rag' and the myth behind the flag a bedtime story, and he later turned around and instituted a 'national flag' day.
Lesson period: 16 years
There was a time when he called the link between inflation and the over-supply of money in economics a bedtime story of neo-liberal 'monetarists' , but he finally relented and lectured us in the last session of his rubber-stamp parliament on how he is trying to control the money supply to control inflation.
Lesson period: 21 years
Not long ago, he was pontificating that a maritime port is a non-vital commodity that is on sale for anyone with money to buy it, when he was arguing his case against Assab. Now in this lecture of WEF he included ports as part of nation's vital infrastructure for the growth and poverty reduction.
Lesson period: 21 years
It takes the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት at least a decade and a half to understand a very simple topic while it's costing my country a fortune. Ethiopia is tired of paying for his education in economics and public administration, in the meantime suffering from his lapses in judgment, and especially his experiments in the laboratory, which is my country, that are costing us an arm and a leg every year.
And so we are sure that he will lecture us some years down the line, if he is still around, how the neo-liberal economic model, if not stalked by implementation issues, is the best for Africa. We know his learning curve has a very flat slope close to horizontal (I can't imagine how much flatter must be that of his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት ) ....but he will eventually learn. In the meantime, can my country continue to afford to foot the bill for his tuition and lab expenses? That is the question.
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If democracy is a pre-requisite for survival and unity of a nation, how can it fail to be a pre-requisite for growth and development? How can a nation that hasn't survived the challenges to is unity manage to grow and develop? This is a paradox in his statement that only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት or his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት like ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ ... can answer......
የምትጠይቀው የዲየዲየብ ጥያቄ ምን ያህል ንፍጥ ጭንቅላት እንደሆንክ ይናገራል
መለስ ያለውን ልድገመው
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"My view is that there is no direct relationship between growth...economic growth and democracy, historically or theoretically. But my view is that democracy is a good thing in and of itself, irrespective of its impact on economic growth and my view is that in Africa, most of our countries are extremely diverse, that may be the only possibility, the only option, of keeping relationships within nations sane. Democracy may be the only viable option for keeping these diverse nations together .... so we need to democratize but not in order to grow we need to democratize in order to survive as united, sane nations, that's my view. But I don't believe in these nighttime.....er bedtime stories of ..... and contrived arguments linking economic growth with democracy. There is no basis for it in history, and in my view no basis for it in economics. and there is no need to do it, there is no need to have these contrived arguments, because the case for democracy can stand and shine on its own."
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If democracy is a pre-requisite for survival and unity of a nation, how can it fail to be a pre-requisite for growth and development?
In Africa, these growth-led and market-centered policies (neo-liberal policies), in fact, required repressive governments and authoritarian rules that did not allow any public opposition or resistance to such policies.
አይገርምም
ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ ነኝ አቁስሎ የማይተወው
ዛዙ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ዳግማዊ ዋለለኝ I will not honor your dumb ideological statements with another long-winded reply. You simply are not worth it. But if you insist, .I have already replied to you as quoted below.
The extremely flat slope of the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት 's learning curve
The so-called ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት of ዳግማዊ stated (I will quote him verbatim to do him justice even though I know he wouldn't do the same to me... ) on May 12, 2012 in Addis during this panel......
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"My view is that there is no direct relationship between growth...economic growth and democracy, historically or theoretically. But my view is that democracy is a good thing in and of itself, irrespective of its impact on economic growth (applause of sycophants like ዳግማዊ ዋለለኝ ...who were systematically scattered in the auditorium......what is there to applaud in this statement, honestly?) ... ሊቀ -ሊቃውንት continues '..and my view is that in Africa, most of our countries are extremely diverse, that may be the only possibility, the only option, of keeping relationships within nations sane. Democracy may be the only viable option for keeping these diverse nations together .... so we need to democratize but not in order to grow we need to democratize in order to survive as united, sane nations, that's my view. But I don't believe in these nighttime.....er bedtime stories of ..... and contrived arguments linking economic growth with democracy. There is no basis for it in history, and in my view no basis for it in economics. and there is no need to do it, there is no need to have these contrived arguments, because the case for democracy can stand and shine on its own." ሊቀ -ደናቁርት መለስ
The paradox is but obvious for the average thinking mind, let alone for the whizz-kids in that meeting who had the courtesy to let him finish his stupid lecture which was a study in contradictions.
Only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት can understand how a nation that hasn't survived and is being challenged on its unity manages to grow. If democracy is a pre-requisite for survival and unity of a nation, how can it fail to be a pre-requisite for growth and development? How can a nation that hasn't survived the challenges to is unity manage to grow and develop? This is a paradox in his statement that only the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት or his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት like ዳግማዊ ዋለልኝ ... can answer......
There is no basis for it in history? no basis linking economic growth and democracy in economic theory? Which study/paper is he referring to? His own? Otherwise, isn't the fact that the authoritarian East trailed far behind the democratic West in growth and development during the cold war years a glaring historical evidence? Isn't 'The wealth of Nations' which still a valid piece of literature in economics over the grave of Das Kapital enough theoretical basis? I know capitalism is also hounded by its own problems, but it has shown a tremendous capacity to rebound on many occasions.
There was a time when he also called 3,000 years of Ethiopian history a bedtime story, but he recently lectured us on how Ethiopians were rich with tradition, with proud history lasting 3000 years.
Lesson period: 21 years
There was a time when he called the Ethiopian flag 'a piece of rag' and the myth behind the flag a bedtime story, and he later turned around and instituted a 'national flag' day.
Lesson period: 16 years
There was a time when he called the link between inflation and the over-supply of money in economics a bedtime story of neo-liberal 'monetarists' , but he finally relented and lectured us in the last session of his rubber-stamp parliament on how he is trying to control the money supply to control inflation.
Lesson period: 21 years
Not long ago, he was pontificating that a maritime port is a non-vital commodity that is on sale for anyone with money to buy it, when he was arguing his case against Assab. Now in this lecture of WEF he included ports as part of nation's vital infrastructure for the growth and poverty reduction.
Lesson period: 21 years
It takes the ሊቀ -ደናቁርት at least a decade and a half to understand a very simple topic while it's costing my country a fortune. Ethiopia is tired of paying for his education in economics and public administration, in the meantime suffering from his lapses in judgment, and especially his experiments in the laboratory, which is my country, that are costing us an arm and a leg every year.
And so we are sure that he will lecture us some years down the line, if he is still around, how the neo-liberal economic model, if not stalked by implementation issues, is the best for Africa. We know his learning curve has a very flat slope close to horizontal (I can't imagine how much flatter must be that of his ደቂቀ -ደናቁርት ) ....but he will eventually learn. In the meantime, can my country continue to afford to foot the bill for his tuition and lab expenses? That is the question.
_________________ “Meles Zenawi's passion was in abolishing poverty"Former Prime Minister of United Kingdom Gordon Brown
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... Haven't you realized that the more they approached to the TRUEST sense, the worest crises they face? ... What the world has so far experienced is the so called "embedded (neo)liberalism" 
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