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ሓየት 11

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:44 pm    Post subject: ኋላቀር ህዝብ - ኋላቀር ፖሊትክስ ?? Reply with quote

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Ethiopians tend to view the life game as zero-sum, non-shared sum and yielding at best a limited payoff. This view results in a set of survival strategies based on self protection, deception and revenge aimed at maintaining the status quo or advancing oneself at the expense of others. Perceived opportunities for initiative and cooperation in service to the community are limited. Personal efficacy is perceived as present in interpersonal exchanges, but not in exchanges with the impersonal environment.
From David Korten (1971) The life game: Survival strategies in Ethiopian Folktales.


In 1971 David Korten analysed behavior patterns in Ethiopian folktales to identify rules governing payoffs in the game of everyday living as perceived in the traditional Ethiopian culture. His result was astonishing which explained the mindset of the young students as shaped by the society, and the rule of game in the society at large. I think, these findings may be still valid in explaining the rule of game in todays social system, particularly in our politics.

I summarized only the basic findings and explanations. Partially, I paraphrased his sentences to avoid some irrelevant points to our topic and make it as short and more focused as possible.

Give it some time; Im sure you will find it tobe an extraordinary work.

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For the purpose of the analysis Korten used two collections of Ethiopian folktales published in Amharic by the Ethiopian Ministery of Education for use as school readers. Additional sample of stories were used from secondary and junior secondary teachers who had their students write out traditional stories as class room exercises. Only traditional folk stories either gathered from students or from sources clearly directed at students were used for this analysis. The sample consisted of 129 Ethiopian stories most of which assumed to come from the Amhara-Tigre peoples who dominated the political life of Ethiopia. (Therefore, the conclusion drawn from this analysis are probably more pertinent to these two relativelly closely related groups.)



The Result

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The Story character were found relatively more often engaged in acquisition, aggression, rejection, retention, and succorance behavior. They were relatively less often engaged in achievement, activity, cognizance, affiliation, recognition, construction, order and autonomy behaviors.


The emphasis in these stories on acquisition by taking from another, concern for stolen property, greater incidence of retention and lack of construction is indicative of zero-sum life game. There was almost a total absence of thema dealing with the creation of new wealth in the Ethiopian stories attention being given only to its redistribution among the players.

The non-shared-sum characteristics of the Ethiopian life game was evident in the mutual suspicion, the relatively hazardous nature of affiliation and nurturance behaviors, and the repeated demonstration that even close friends cannot be trusted. The lesson was stressed that ones only certain allies are ones own wits and brawn.

The relatively low overall ratio of rewards to punishments in the Ethiopian stories reflects a very meager payoff. The Ethiopian environment was relatively very unforgiving.


The Rules of the Game

1. Losses are minimized through continual alertness and suspicion

While laziness was seldom punished, intention was. Even sleeping, relaxing, and eating could be dangerous if enjoyed to the extent that one was not alert to the possible deceptions or aggressions of another. Either accepting or extending hospitability or friendship could be dangerous. Betrayal by a friend was a constant possibility.

While such dangers were continually present those who remained alert and took action to avoid harm could generally avoid difficulties.

2. Gains are maximized through use of clever interpersonal deceptions

A clever trick or deception was the most frequently successful strategy for acquisition, escaping from harm, or from the veiled intentions of others, for recovering stolen property, and for avoiding blame for ones own anti-social acts. The successful deception was usually dependent on winning another characters confidence or sympathy through an act of friendship assistance, hospitability, or request for assistance. This established a momentary interpersonal commitment which distracted the other party into dropping his guard.

3. Revenge is high payoff strategy, important to retaining respect

Aggression is both frequent and successful in the stories especially as an act revenge. Most of the aggression thema involved an after-the-fact response to an actual or assumed wrong and reflected no implication of intended material restitution or immediate self-protection, indicating that revenge was the primary motive. These thema had the most consistently favorable outcomes of any identifiable category in the stories, suggesting that revenge was an expected and valued behavior. Apart from providing a satisfying emotional relase, revenge could be perceived as a useful strategy in a zero-sum game for recapturing lost self-respect and putting others on notice that one cant be taken advantage of with impunity. Successful revenge in a sense restores the previous balance between two parties.


Elsewhere, experts in the field classified characters in stories as either main character or anti-social characters. The anti-social character was basically one who engaged in non-shared-sum, zero-sum behavior strategies. By this standard nearly all of the characters in the Ethiopian stories would have been classed as anti-social.

In the Ethiopian stories a more useful classification system distinguished between the foolish, the clever, and the wise. The fool was the character who allowed himself to fall victim to the plays of the clever. The wise man was usually an older man whose wisdom allowed him to avoid the trickster, but who didnt attempt to advance himself at the expense of others. While a less frequent character in the stories, the wise man appears to represent the ultimate standard of value in the society.


That the imagery of the Ethiopian stories is generally consistent with actual social behavior in Ethiopia is well supported by a wide variety of studies documenting the prevalence of interpersonal suspicion, trickery and deception, revenge and limited instances of cooperative behavior.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ደንቆሮው ወያኔ / ሻቢያ 'ሓየት 11':-

የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ በአንተ እና መሠሎችህ የአዕምሮ ድውያን የሚተች አይደለም :: አንተ የምትጽፍበት የእንግሊዘኛ ቋንቋ ባለቤቶቹ እንግሊዛውያን 90 በመቶ ለማያንሱት በዓለም ላይ ለተፈጠሩት እና አሁንም እሣታቸው ላልጠፋው የፖለቲካ ችግሮች ተጠያቂዎች ናቸው :: እስኪ በመጀመሪያ ስለአምላኮችህ እና ቋንቋቸውን አቀላጥፌ እጽፋለሁ ስለምትላቸው እንግሊዞች ባህርይ ጻፍ :: ከዚያ ስለምትጠላት ኢትዮጵያ እና ከምድረ -ገጽ ልታጠፋቸው ዘወትር ስለምትዝትባቸው ኢትዮጵያውያን ለመጻፍ መሞከር ትችላለህ :: Razz Razz Razz

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ተድላ ሀይሉ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ደንቆሮው ወያኔ / ሻቢያ 'ሓየት 11':-


እኛ ሰፈር ተድላ የሚባል ግንበኛ ነበር :: እኔ ማለት የግንበኞች የማዕዝን ድንጋይ ነኝ ይል ነበር :: በዚህ የተነሳ ተድላ ሲባል ግንበኛ : "የማዕዝን " ድንጋይ ብቻ ይመስለኝ ነበር :: ለካስ ድንጋይ ራስ ተድላም አለ :: ጥቁር ድንጋይ ብልህ በደንብ አይገልጸኝም ብለህ እንዳትከፋ ::

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የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ በአንተ እና መሠሎችህ የአዕምሮ ድውያን የሚተች አይደለም ::

ውይይት ልመድ :: ተቅውሞና ስድብ የማንነትህ መለያ ከሆኑ ከራረሙ :: ለነገሩ ካንተ የበሰለ ውይይት አይጠበቅም :: ብልግናና ተቃውሞ የሚቀድምህ ምናልባት በሚደረጉት ውይይቶች በቂ እውቀት ስለሌለህ ሊሆን ይችላል :: የጨለማ መሲህ ይመስል የጥፋት ዜናዎችን ብቻ መቃረም አዋቂ አያስብልህም :: የአሜሪካው ፕሬዝደንት ቶማስ ጀፈርሰን በአንድ ወቅት እንዳ አንተ አይነቱን ሰው የሚገስጽ አባባል ተናግሮ ነበር :-
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"The Man who read nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing, but newspapers"


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አንተ የምትጽፍበት የእንግሊዘኛ ቋንቋ ባለቤቶቹ እንግሊዛውያን 90 በመቶ ለማያንሱት በዓለም ላይ ለተፈጠሩት እና አሁንም እሣታቸው ላልጠፋው የፖለቲካ ችግሮች ተጠያቂዎች ናቸው ::

በጨዋ ደንብ መወያየት የምትችል ከሆነ እንሆ ሜዳ እንሆ ፈረስ :: ነገር ግን ለአገራችን ማህበራዊና ፖለቲካዊ ውድቀት ተጠያቂው ማንም አይደለም : እኛው ብቻ ! የኢንግሊዝ ጠበቃ ባለመሆኔ ያነሳሃው የዓለም ጥፋት አይመለከተኝም :: ሌላ ርዕስ ክፈትና መወያየት ትችላለህ ::

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እስኪ በመጀመሪያ ስለአምላኮችህ እና ቋንቋቸውን አቀላጥፌ እጽፋለሁ ስለምትላቸው እንግሊዞች ባህርይ ጻፍ ::

ይህ ሁሉ ያዙኝ ልቀቁኝ ... ልክ ሳይኖርህ ..በዛኛው ዓምድ ልክ ልክህን ሰለንገርኩህ ነው ? አይዞህ እኔም እንዳንተ ገና ኢንግሊዝኛዬ ያልበሰለ እርዳታ እየጠየቅኩ የማነብና የምጽፍ ሰው ነኝ :: After all, it is not a big deal. ከቋንቋ እጥረት የተነሳ የተሳሳተ ግንዛቤ ሊኖር ይችላል ብዬ ነበር ወገናዊ ምክሬን ያካፈልኩህ :: ለካ የኩርኩም ያክል ነው ያመመህ ?

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ከዚያ ስለምትጠላት ኢትዮጵያ እና ከምድረ -ገጽ ልታጠፋቸው ዘወትር ስለምትዝትባቸው ኢትዮጵያውያን ለመጻፍ መሞከር ትችላለህ :: Razz Razz Razz

ኢትዮጵያን ካንተ በላይ ዘብ የምቆምላት ሰው ነኝ :: ለሁሉም ህዝቦቿ እኩል ሚዛን የምሰጥ እንዳንተ በጥላቻ ታውሬ በህዝቦቻ የማልዘምት ሰው ነኝ :: እኔ ከሞትኩ ሰርዶ አይብቀል እንዳለችው እንስሳ ዕድሜ ልክህን ፖለቲካ ሳይሳካልህ ቢቀር አገር ማፍረስ ቀዳሚ ተጋባር ያደርክ የዛ እርኩስ ትውልድ አባል አንተ ሆነህ ሳለ የራስህን ተግባር ወደ ሌሎች ማላከክ ተገቢ አይደለም ::

ቢገባህ ደግሞ ጥናቱ አንተንና ባንተ ዕድሜ ክልል ያሉትን በደንብ የሚገልጽ ነው :: ከሳምፕሎቹ መካከልስ ሳትሆን ትቀራለህ Laughing Laughing .
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሻቢያው ምነው ሳትጠራ በሰው ቤት ትቀላውጣለህ እዛው እራስህን ችለህ እንደመኖር በሀገራችን ጉዳይ አቀላብጭ መሆንህ ይገርማል ::
ዝምባም መሆንህ ይቆሻሻነትህ ምልክት ነውና ቤታችንን አታግማው ግማታም ሻቢያ Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ባክቡክ እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ሻቢያው ምነው ሳትጠራ በሰው ቤት ትቀላውጣለህ እዛው እራስህን ችለህ እንደመኖር በሀገራችን ጉዳይ አቀላብጭ መሆንህ ይገርማል ::
ዝምባም መሆንህ ይቆሻሻነትህ ምልክት ነውና ቤታችንን አታግማው ግማታም ሻቢያ Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


አንት የዝምብ አየር ማረፊያ Laughing Laughing


እንድትወያይበት ነው እዚህ ያመጣሁት :: የኍላ ቀርነታችን ምክንያት ምንድነው ? ፖለቲካችን እንዲህ ተበውዞ የቀረው ምን ስለሆነ ነው ? ተቃዋሚዎች እርስ በርስ ሲበላሉ የሚኖሩት ከምን የመነጨ ነው ? አንተስ እኔን በሻዕብያነት እንዴት ፈረጅከኝ ? ለሁሉም ተመሳሳይ መልስ ባይኖረውም ...አንድ የጋር factor ይኖራቸዋል :: የህይወታችን መርህ ባለ መተማመንና በጥርጣሬ ስለተሞላ ::

በተግባር መሆኑን ስላረጋገጥክልኝ አመሰግናለሁ :: ለማንኛውም ሻዕብያንና ወያኔን እንዲህውም ሌሎች ተገንጣይ ፓርቲዎችን አጥብቄ የምቃወም ኩሩ ኢትዮጵያዊ ነኝ ::

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

አይ ! አይ ! ምነው እቴ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ቱፍ ቱፍ !!!!!!!!!! ሀበሻው እንዴ ተዋረድድድድድድድድድ SmileSmile ፈረንጁ ያበሻውን አንጎል ገብቶ ድሮ ገና ጎርጉሮታል ለካ ቱፍ ቱፍፍፍፍፍፍ እናንተ እረ ጉድ ነውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውው SmileSmileSmile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MIMI77 እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
አይ ! አይ ! ምነው እቴ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ቱፍ ቱፍ !!!!!!!!!! ሀበሻው እንዴ ተዋረድድድድድድድድድ SmileSmile ፈረንጁ ያበሻውን አንጎል ገብቶ ድሮ ገና ጎርጉሮታል ለካ ቱፍ ቱፍፍፍፍፍፍ እናንተ እረ ጉድ ነውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውውው SmileSmileSmile


አንዳንድ ፍጡር ግን ሥም አያልቅበትም Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: ኋላቀር ህዝብ - ኋላቀር ፖሊትክስ ?? Reply with quote

We have a serious crisis of communication. Many of us talk past each other and lack intellectual honesty and candor in our communications. We pretend to agree and give lip service to each other only to turn around and engage in vile backbiting. We speak to each other and the general public in ambiguities and tongues. Often we do not say what we mean or mean what we say. We keep each other guessing. We do not listen to each other well, and make precious little effort to genuinely seek common ground with those who do not agree with us. We have a nasty habit of marginalizing those who disagree with us and tell it like it is. We hate to admit error and apologize. Instead we compound mistakes by committing more errors. We tend to be overly critical of each other over non-essentials. As a result, we have failed to nurture coherent and dynamic intellectual discourse about Ethiopias present and future.

Almariam Where Have the Ethiopian Intellectuals Gone?


ሓየት 11 እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
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Ethiopians tend to view the life game as zero-sum, non-shared sum and yielding at best a limited payoff. This view results in a set of survival strategies based on self protection, deception and revenge aimed at maintaining the status quo or advancing oneself at the expense of others. Perceived opportunities for initiative and cooperation in service to the community are limited. Personal efficacy is perceived as present in interpersonal exchanges, but not in exchanges with the impersonal environment.
From David Korten (1971) The life game: Survival strategies in Ethiopian Folktales.


In 1971 David Korten analysed behavior patterns in Ethiopian folktales to identify rules governing payoffs in the game of everyday living as perceived in the traditional Ethiopian culture. His result was astonishing which explained the mindset of the young students as shaped by the society, and the rule of game in the society at large. I think, these findings may be still valid in explaining the rule of game in todays social system, particularly in our politics.

I summarized only the basic findings and explanations. Partially, I paraphrased his sentences to avoid some irrelevant points to our topic and make it as short and more focused as possible.

Give it some time; Im sure you will find it tobe an extraordinary work.

ሓየት
..........................................................................................................
.


For the purpose of the analysis Korten used two collections of Ethiopian folktales published in Amharic by the Ethiopian Ministery of Education for use as school readers. Additional sample of stories were used from secondary and junior secondary teachers who had their students write out traditional stories as class room exercises. Only traditional folk stories either gathered from students or from sources clearly directed at students were used for this analysis. The sample consisted of 129 Ethiopian stories most of which assumed to come from the Amhara-Tigre peoples who dominated the political life of Ethiopia. (Therefore, the conclusion drawn from this analysis are probably more pertinent to these two relativelly closely related groups.)



The Result

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The Story character were found relatively more often engaged in acquisition, aggression, rejection, retention, and succorance behavior. They were relatively less often engaged in achievement, activity, cognizance, affiliation, recognition, construction, order and autonomy behaviors.


The emphasis in these stories on acquisition by taking from another, concern for stolen property, greater incidence of retention and lack of construction is indicative of zero-sum life game. There was almost a total absence of thema dealing with the creation of new wealth in the Ethiopian stories attention being given only to its redistribution among the players.

The non-shared-sum characteristics of the Ethiopian life game was evident in the mutual suspicion, the relatively hazardous nature of affiliation and nurturance behaviors, and the repeated demonstration that even close friends cannot be trusted. The lesson was stressed that ones only certain allies are ones own wits and brawn.

The relatively low overall ratio of rewards to punishments in the Ethiopian stories reflects a very meager payoff. The Ethiopian environment was relatively very unforgiving.


The Rules of the Game

1.Losses are minimized through continual alertness and suspicion

While laziness was seldom punished, intention was. Even sleeping, relaxing, and eating could be dangerous if enjoyed to the extent that one was not alert to the possible deceptions or aggressions of another. Either accepting or extending hospitability or friendship could be dangerous. Betrayal by a friend was a constant possibility.

While such dangers were continually present those who remained alert and took action to avoid harm could generally avoid difficulties.

2.Gains are maximized through use of clever interpersonal deceptions

A clever trick or deception was the most frequently successful strategy for acquisition, escaping from harm, or from the veiled intentions of others, for recovering stolen property, and for avoiding blame for ones own anti-social acts. The successful deception was usually dependent on winning another characters confidence or sympathy through an act of friendship assistance, hospitability, or request for assistance. This established a momentary interpersonal commitment which distracted the other party into dropping his guard.

3.Revenge is high payoff strategy, important to retaining respect

Aggression is both frequent and successful in the stories especially as an act revenge. Most of the aggression thema involved an after-the-fact response to an actual or assumed wrong and reflected no implication of intended material restitution or immediate self-protection, indicating that revenge was the primary motive. These thema had the most consistently favorable outcomes of any identifiable category in the stories, suggesting that revenge was an expected and valued behavior. Apart from providing a satisfying emotional relase, revenge could be perceived as a useful strategy in a zero-sum game for recapturing lost self-respect and putting others on notice that one cant be taken advantage of with impunity. Successful revenge in a sense restores the previous balance between two parties.


Elsewhere, experts in the field classified characters in stories as either main character or anti-social characters. The anti-social character was basically one who engaged in non-shared-sum, zero-sum behavior strategies. By this standard nearly all of the characters in the Ethiopian stories would have been classed as anti-social.

In the Ethiopian stories a more useful classification system distinguished between the foolish, the clever, and the wise. The fool was the character who allowed himself to fall victim to the plays of the clever. The wise man was usually an older man whose wisdom allowed him to avoid the trickster, but who didnt attempt to advance himself at the expense of others. While a less frequent character in the stories, the wise man appears to represent the ultimate standard of value in the society.


That the imagery of the Ethiopian stories is generally consistent with actual social behavior in Ethiopia is well supported by a wide variety of studies documenting the prevalence of interpersonal suspicion, trickery and deception, revenge and limited instances of cooperative behavior.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:39 am    Post subject: Re: ኋላቀር ህዝብ - ኋላቀር ፖሊትክስ ?? Reply with quote

ሐየት ያገር ልጅ ያለብህን የሥነ ልቦና ችግር ሳይንሳዊ በሆነ መንገድ መረጃዎችን ላቅርብልህ ::

1. Personality disorders are pervasive chronic psychological disorders, which can greatly affect a person's life. Having a personality disorder can negatively affect one's work, one's family, and one's social life. Personality disorders exists on a continuum so they can be mild to more severe in terms of how pervasive and to what extent a person exhibits the features of a particular personality disorder. While most people can live pretty normal lives with mild personality disorders (or more simply, personality traits), during times of increased stress or external pressures (work, family, a new relationship, etc.), the symptoms of the personality disorder will gain strength and begin to seriously interfere with their emotional and psychological functioning.



Those with a personality disorder possess several distinct psychological features including disturbances in self-image; ability to have successful interpersonal relationships; appropriateness of range of emotion, ways of perceiving themselves, others, and the world; and difficulty possessing proper impulse control. These disturbances come together to create a pervasive pattern of behavior and inner experience that is quite different from the norms of the individual's culture and that often tend to be expressed in behaviors that appear more dramatic than what society considers usual. Therefore, those with a personality disorder often experience conflicts with other people and vice-versa.

አንድን ህዝብ የሚሰድብ ወይንም ዝቅ የሚያደርግ አባባል አዋቂ ነኝ ከሚል ሰው ሲወጣ ሊነሱ የሚገባቸው ጥያቄዎች ይኖራሉ :: ከነሱም አንዱ ሰውየው ጤነኛ ነው ወይ የሚለው ? ጥያቄ ነው
የአንድ ግለሰብ /ህብረተስብ የሥነ ልቦና ጥንካሬና ድክመት የሚለካው ከአስተዳደጉ ባህልና ወጉ በመንሳት እንጂ ባህሉንና ወጉን ሳያውቁ ምን አይነት ግምገማ ወይንም ቱል ነው አሰስመንቱ የሚካሄድው ::

መጣጥፍ እየቀጣጠሉ ከማቅረብ በፊት ምንነታቸውን ማወቅ ያስፈልጋል :: ከጊዜ ወደ ጊዜ እየዘቀጥክ ስለሄድክ እያሳዘንከኝ ነው :: የቤትክርስትያን መባዕ የበላ ደብተራ ሳይጠይቁት ይለፋለፋል ይሉ ነበር ያገራችን አዋቂዎች :: እንዲህ የሚያቅበዘብዝህ ኢትዮጵያዊነትን ዝቅ ለማደረግ የሚያስሞክርህ ደምህ ላይ ያለው የወያኔ ቫይረስ ነው ::


ሓየት 11 እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
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Ethiopians tend to view the life game as zero-sum, non-shared sum and yielding at best a limited payoff. This view results in a set of survival strategies based on self protection, deception and revenge aimed at maintaining the status quo or advancing oneself at the expense of others. Perceived opportunities for initiative and cooperation in service to the community are limited. Personal efficacy is perceived as present in interpersonal exchanges, but not in exchanges with the impersonal environment.
From David Korten (1971) The life game: Survival strategies in Ethiopian Folktales.


In 1971 David Korten analysed behavior patterns in Ethiopian folktales to identify rules governing payoffs in the game of everyday living as perceived in the traditional Ethiopian culture. His result was astonishing which explained the mindset of the young students as shaped by the society, and the rule of game in the society at large. I think, these findings may be still valid in explaining the rule of game in todays social system, particularly in our politics.

I summarized only the basic findings and explanations. Partially, I paraphrased his sentences to avoid some irrelevant points to our topic and make it as short and more focused as possible.

Give it some time; Im sure you will find it tobe an extraordinary work.

ሓየት
..........................................................................................................
.


For the purpose of the analysis Korten used two collections of Ethiopian folktales published in Amharic by the Ethiopian Ministery of Education for use as school readers. Additional sample of stories were used from secondary and junior secondary teachers who had their students write out traditional stories as class room exercises. Only traditional folk stories either gathered from students or from sources clearly directed at students were used for this analysis. The sample consisted of 129 Ethiopian stories most of which assumed to come from the Amhara-Tigre peoples who dominated the political life of Ethiopia. (Therefore, the conclusion drawn from this analysis are probably more pertinent to these two relativelly closely related groups.)



The Result

Code:
The Story character were found relatively more often engaged in acquisition, aggression, rejection, retention, and succorance behavior. They were relatively less often engaged in achievement, activity, cognizance, affiliation, recognition, construction, order and autonomy behaviors.


The emphasis in these stories on acquisition by taking from another, concern for stolen property, greater incidence of retention and lack of construction is indicative of zero-sum life game. There was almost a total absence of thema dealing with the creation of new wealth in the Ethiopian stories attention being given only to its redistribution among the players.

The non-shared-sum characteristics of the Ethiopian life game was evident in the mutual suspicion, the relatively hazardous nature of affiliation and nurturance behaviors, and the repeated demonstration that even close friends cannot be trusted. The lesson was stressed that ones only certain allies are ones own wits and brawn.

The relatively low overall ratio of rewards to punishments in the Ethiopian stories reflects a very meager payoff. The Ethiopian environment was relatively very unforgiving.


The Rules of the Game

1. Losses are minimized through continual alertness and suspicion

While laziness was seldom punished, intention was. Even sleeping, relaxing, and eating could be dangerous if enjoyed to the extent that one was not alert to the possible deceptions or aggressions of another. Either accepting or extending hospitability or friendship could be dangerous. Betrayal by a friend was a constant possibility.

While such dangers were continually present those who remained alert and took action to avoid harm could generally avoid difficulties.

2. Gains are maximized through use of clever interpersonal deceptions

A clever trick or deception was the most frequently successful strategy for acquisition, escaping from harm, or from the veiled intentions of others, for recovering stolen property, and for avoiding blame for ones own anti-social acts. The successful deception was usually dependent on winning another characters confidence or sympathy through an act of friendship assistance, hospitability, or request for assistance. This established a momentary interpersonal commitment which distracted the other party into dropping his guard.

3. Revenge is high payoff strategy, important to retaining respect

Aggression is both frequent and successful in the stories especially as an act revenge. Most of the aggression thema involved an after-the-fact response to an actual or assumed wrong and reflected no implication of intended material restitution or immediate self-protection, indicating that revenge was the primary motive. These thema had the most consistently favorable outcomes of any identifiable category in the stories, suggesting that revenge was an expected and valued behavior. Apart from providing a satisfying emotional relase, revenge could be perceived as a useful strategy in a zero-sum game for recapturing lost self-respect and putting others on notice that one cant be taken advantage of with impunity. Successful revenge in a sense restores the previous balance between two parties.


Elsewhere, experts in the field classified characters in stories as either main character or anti-social characters. The anti-social character was basically one who engaged in non-shared-sum, zero-sum behavior strategies. By this standard nearly all of the characters in the Ethiopian stories would have been classed as anti-social.

In the Ethiopian stories a more useful classification system distinguished between the foolish, the clever, and the wise. The fool was the character who allowed himself to fall victim to the plays of the clever. The wise man was usually an older man whose wisdom allowed him to avoid the trickster, but who didnt attempt to advance himself at the expense of others. While a less frequent character in the stories, the wise man appears to represent the ultimate standard of value in the society.


That the imagery of the Ethiopian stories is generally consistent with actual social behavior in Ethiopia is well supported by a wide variety of studies documenting the prevalence of interpersonal suspicion, trickery and deception, revenge and limited instances of cooperative behavior.

>>>>>>////<<<<<<<///>>>>>>>>>>///<<<<<<<<<

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: ኋላቀር ህዝብ - ኋላቀር ፖሊትክስ ?? Reply with quote

መንኮራኩር ሳይካትሪስቱ Laughing

እኔ እኮ ነገርኳችሁ ግልጽነት የሚባል ነገር አይሆንላችሁም :: ዓለማዮሁም ከናንተ ጎራ ስትደባለቅብኝ ተስፋ ቆረጥኩ Laughing Laughing ተሸፋፍኖ ጉዞ ለማንም አይበጅም ::

ስለኔ ፐርሰናሊቲ ዲስኦርደር ለማውራት ከመቸኮልህ በፊት ስለዓምዱ ትንሽ ብታስብ መልካም ነበር :: በመጀምሪያ ደረጃ ርዕሱ ጥያቄ ምልክት አለው :: ውይይት የማይሆንልሽ አዳሜ አፍሽን አሹለሽ የምትመጪው ለዝርጠጣ ነው :: ካላወቁ ዝምታን ማን ገደለ :: ማስታዋል የማይሆንልን ከሆነ ጥጋችንን ብንይዝስ ? ጥያቄ ምልክቱ በዋናነት ትስማሙበታላችሁ ወይ ለማለት ታስቦ የተቀመጠ ነው :: እግረመንገዱን ለውይይት የሚጋብዝ ጥያቄ ነው :: ካልተስማማህ አልስማማም ማለት መብትህ ነው ::

ምኑ ነው ህዝብን መስደብ የሆነብህ ? ስልጡን ህዝብና ስልጡን ፖለቲካ ነው ያለን ወይም የሰርቫይቫል ጌም ህዝባችንን አይገልጸውም ልትለኝ ከሆነም ያጣጣልካትን የመጣጣፍ ቅጥልጥል የሆነችውን ዓምዴን ሲሆን በበሰለ የራስህ መንገድ ካልሆነም በተመሳሳይ ቅጥልጥል መጣጣፍ ስህተት መሆኑን ማሳየት ማንን ገደለ ??

አሁን ባንተ ጭንቅላት ተመዝኜ የአይምሮ በሽታኛ ሆኖ መገኘት ምን ስሜት ይሰጣል ?? እንኳን ለሌላው ለራስህስ ምን ስሜት ይሰጣል ብለህ ነው ኮፒ ፔስት ያመጣህልኝ ?? - ሳይኮው Laughing

ስማ በወቅቱ ጥናቱ ውስጥ በዋናነት ተካተው የነበሩ ተማሪዎች አብዛኛዎቹ ከአማራውና ከትግርኛ ተናጋሪው ኤርትራን ጨምሮ የተውጣጡ ነበር :: ምናልባት አሁን የአገሪቱን ፖለቲካ ከሚዘውሩት መካከል ሊኖሩበት ይችላሉ :: ባይኖሩበትም በወቅቱ የነበረውን የህጻናቱ አስተሳሰብ (በጽሁፎቻቸው የሚንጸባረቀው አስተሳሰብ ) የሚገልጽ ጥናት በመሆኑ ; የእነዛ ህጻናት አስተሳሰብ ከህብረተሰቡና ከቤተሰብ የወረሱት ባህሪ ሊሆን እንደሚችል በማመንና : እነዛ ህጻናት ዛሬ አድገው ያገሪቱን ፖለቲካ በተቃዋሚነትም በመንግስትነትም ስለሚገኙ ...ዛሬ ላለንበት የፖለቲካ ውጥንቅጥ ምንጩ የህዝባችን ኋላቀር (ትራዲሽናል ) አስተሳሰቦች ነጽበራቅ ይሆን ወይ ለማለት ይህንን ዓምድ ከፈትኩ ::

በመንኮራኩር እይታ የአእምሮ በሽተኛና ወያኔ ነኝ : በተድላ ሀይሉ እይታ ጸረ -ህዝብ ወያኔ ነኝ : በባክቡክ እይታ ሻዕብያ ነኝ (where as ጥናቱ ውስጥ ኤርትራውያንም የተካተቱበት ሆኖ ሳለ ) ........... ታድያ እንደእናንተ ዓይነት ሰዎች እስካሉ ድረስ እንዴት ሆኖ ነው ህዝብ ውስጥ ያለ አጥፊ ባህል ሊፈተሽና ሊጠና የሚችለው Question እንዴት ሆኖ መፍትሄ ማግኘትም ይቻላል ::

ድፍረት ያስፈልጋል ነብሱ : ዝም ብሎ ወሎ ገራገሩን እየተቀኙ መኖር ብቻ መፍትሄ ሊሆነን አይችልም ::


ሓየት - ለዛሬ ሳይኮ ሆኛለሁ Wink



መንኮራኩር እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
ሐየት ያገር ልጅ ያለብህን የሥነ ልቦና ችግር ሳይንሳዊ በሆነ መንገድ መረጃዎችን ላቅርብልህ ::

1. Personality disorders are pervasive chronic psychological disorders, which can greatly affect a person's life. Having a personality disorder can negatively affect one's work, one's family, and one's social life. Personality disorders exists on a continuum so they can be mild to more severe in terms of how pervasive and to what extent a person exhibits the features of a particular personality disorder. While most people can live pretty normal lives with mild personality disorders (or more simply, personality traits), during times of increased stress or external pressures (work, family, a new relationship, etc.), the symptoms of the personality disorder will gain strength and begin to seriously interfere with their emotional and psychological functioning.



Those with a personality disorder possess several distinct psychological features including disturbances in self-image; ability to have successful interpersonal relationships; appropriateness of range of emotion, ways of perceiving themselves, others, and the world; and difficulty possessing proper impulse control. These disturbances come together to create a pervasive pattern of behavior and inner experience that is quite different from the norms of the individual's culture and that often tend to be expressed in behaviors that appear more dramatic than what society considers usual. Therefore, those with a personality disorder often experience conflicts with other people and vice-versa.

አንድን ህዝብ የሚሰድብ ወይንም ዝቅ የሚያደርግ አባባል አዋቂ ነኝ ከሚል ሰው ሲወጣ ሊነሱ የሚገባቸው ጥያቄዎች ይኖራሉ :: ከነሱም አንዱ ሰውየው ጤነኛ ነው ወይ የሚለው ? ጥያቄ ነው
የአንድ ግለሰብ /ህብረተስብ የሥነ ልቦና ጥንካሬና ድክመት የሚለካው ከአስተዳደጉ ባህልና ወጉ በመንሳት እንጂ ባህሉንና ወጉን ሳያውቁ ምን አይነት ግምገማ ወይንም ቱል ነው አሰስመንቱ የሚካሄድው ::

መጣጥፍ እየቀጣጠሉ ከማቅረብ በፊት ምንነታቸውን ማወቅ ያስፈልጋል :: ከጊዜ ወደ ጊዜ እየዘቀጥክ ስለሄድክ እያሳዘንከኝ ነው :: የቤትክርስትያን መባዕ የበላ ደብተራ ሳይጠይቁት ይለፋለፋል ይሉ ነበር ያገራችን አዋቂዎች :: እንዲህ የሚያቅበዘብዝህ ኢትዮጵያዊነትን ዝቅ ለማደረግ የሚያስሞክርህ ደምህ ላይ ያለው የወያኔ ቫይረስ ነው ::

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ሓየት

ጥሩ ጅምር ነው :: የሰውየውን ጥናት ካስተዋልከው እኔ እስካሁን ስጨቀጭቃችሁ የነበረውን ነገር ነው የሚያሳየው :: እኛ ኢትዮዽያውያን የድሮ ክብራችን ምንጭ የነበረውን መቻቻልን ; መከባበርን ; እውቅና መሰጣጠትን ትተን መጠላላትን ; መናናቅን ; መጨካከንን ይዘናል :: እባክህ ያመጣኸውን ጽሁፍ በደንብ ተረዳውና ኢንተርናላይዝ አድርገው :: በተረፈ እስኪ እባክህ የልደቱን መጽሀፍ አንብበው :: ትንቀው ይሆናል ; ወይ አታምነው ይሆናል ; ያን እንደያዝክ እስኪ እንደው ዝም ብለህ አንብበው ግዴለህም አትቆጭም ::

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: ኋላቀር ህዝብ - ኋላቀር ፖሊትክስ ?? Reply with quote

የተወደዳችሁና የተከበራችሁ እውነተኛ ኢትዮጵያውያን ወገኖቼ ,

ሰላምታዬ በያላችሁበት ይድረሳችሁ :: ዛሬ በጥዋቱ ተነስቼ የዋርካ ቆይታዬን ወደ ኋላ ተጉዤ አንዳንድ ነገሮችን ስቃኝ ... የአለቃነት ማዕርግ ከማግኘቴ በፊት ... ለካስ አለቃ የሚያሰኝ ስራ ስሰራ ኖሬያለሁ ::

በሉ ይቺን ጥናታዊ መጣጥፍ ለአምዱ በምትመች መልኩ አሳጥሬ ያቀረብኳትን ተጋበዙልኝ :: / አለማርያም እንዳለውም በተለይ ምሁራን ነን የምትሉ ወገኖቼ ... የዛሬ አድርቆች ... የነገ ተስፋዎች ... በቀናነትና በልበሙሉነት እንዲህውም በግልጽነት ተወያዩበት :: ራሳችሁንም መዝኑበት ::

ከአርባ አመታት ብኋላም ይኸው ጥናት በትክክል እንደሚገልጸን የማምነው

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አይተ ሓየት ነኝ
የኢትዮጵያዊነት እምብርት


ሓየት 11 እንደጻፈ(ች)ው:
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Ethiopians tend to view the life game as zero-sum, non-shared sum and yielding at best a limited payoff. This view results in a set of survival strategies based on self protection, deception and revenge aimed at maintaining the status quo or advancing oneself at the expense of others. Perceived opportunities for initiative and cooperation in service to the community are limited. Personal efficacy is perceived as present in interpersonal exchanges, but not in exchanges with the impersonal environment.
From David Korten (1971) The life game: Survival strategies in Ethiopian Folktales.


In 1971 David Korten analysed behavior patterns in Ethiopian folktales to identify rules governing payoffs in the game of everyday living as perceived in the traditional Ethiopian culture. His result was astonishing which explained the mindset of the young students as shaped by the society, and the rule of game in the society at large. I think, these findings may be still valid in explaining the rule of game in todays social system, particularly in our politics.

I summarized only the basic findings and explanations. Partially, I paraphrased his sentences to avoid some irrelevant points to our topic and make it as short and more focused as possible.

Give it some time; Im sure you will find it tobe an extraordinary work.

ሓየት
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For the purpose of the analysis Korten used two collections of Ethiopian folktales published in Amharic by the Ethiopian Ministery of Education for use as school readers. Additional sample of stories were used from secondary and junior secondary teachers who had their students write out traditional stories as class room exercises. Only traditional folk stories either gathered from students or from sources clearly directed at students were used for this analysis. The sample consisted of 129 Ethiopian stories most of which assumed to come from the Amhara-Tigre peoples who dominated the political life of Ethiopia. (Therefore, the conclusion drawn from this analysis are probably more pertinent to these two relativelly closely related groups.)



The Result

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The Story character were found relatively more often engaged in acquisition, aggression, rejection, retention, and succorance behavior. They were relatively less often engaged in achievement, activity, cognizance, affiliation, recognition, construction, order and autonomy behaviors.


The emphasis in these stories on acquisition by taking from another, concern for stolen property, greater incidence of retention and lack of construction is indicative of zero-sum life game. There was almost a total absence of thema dealing with the creation of new wealth in the Ethiopian stories attention being given only to its redistribution among the players.

The non-shared-sum characteristics of the Ethiopian life game was evident in the mutual suspicion, the relatively hazardous nature of affiliation and nurturance behaviors, and the repeated demonstration that even close friends cannot be trusted. The lesson was stressed that ones only certain allies are ones own wits and brawn.

The relatively low overall ratio of rewards to punishments in the Ethiopian stories reflects a very meager payoff. The Ethiopian environment was relatively very unforgiving.


The Rules of the Game

1.Losses are minimized through continual alertness and suspicion

While laziness was seldom punished, intention was. Even sleeping, relaxing, and eating could be dangerous if enjoyed to the extent that one was not alert to the possible deceptions or aggressions of another. Either accepting or extending hospitability or friendship could be dangerous. Betrayal by a friend was a constant possibility.

While such dangers were continually present those who remained alert and took action to avoid harm could generally avoid difficulties.

2.Gains are maximized through use of clever interpersonal deceptions

A clever trick or deception was the most frequently successful strategy for acquisition, escaping from harm, or from the veiled intentions of others, for recovering stolen property, and for avoiding blame for ones own anti-social acts. The successful deception was usually dependent on winning another characters confidence or sympathy through an act of friendship assistance, hospitability, or request for assistance. This established a momentary interpersonal commitment which distracted the other party into dropping his guard.

3.Revenge is high payoff strategy, important to retaining respect

Aggression is both frequent and successful in the stories especially as an act revenge. Most of the aggression thema involved an after-the-fact response to an actual or assumed wrong and reflected no implication of intended material restitution or immediate self-protection, indicating that revenge was the primary motive. These thema had the most consistently favorable outcomes of any identifiable category in the stories, suggesting that revenge was an expected and valued behavior. Apart from providing a satisfying emotional relase, revenge could be perceived as a useful strategy in a zero-sum game for recapturing lost self-respect and putting others on notice that one cant be taken advantage of with impunity. Successful revenge in a sense restores the previous balance between two parties.


Elsewhere, experts in the field classified characters in stories as either main character or anti-social characters. The anti-social character was basically one who engaged in non-shared-sum, zero-sum behavior strategies. By this standard nearly all of the characters in the Ethiopian stories would have been classed as anti-social.

In the Ethiopian stories a more useful classification system distinguished between the foolish, the clever, and the wise. The fool was the character who allowed himself to fall victim to the plays of the clever. The wise man was usually an older man whose wisdom allowed him to avoid the trickster, but who didnt attempt to advance himself at the expense of others. While a less frequent character in the stories, the wise man appears to represent the ultimate standard of value in the society.


That the imagery of the Ethiopian stories is generally consistent with actual social behavior in Ethiopia is well supported by a wide variety of studies documenting the prevalence of interpersonal suspicion, trickery and deception, revenge and limited instances of cooperative behavior.

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